Landlords, "Don't scrap Bedsits"

[Rambo83]

"The association which represents landlords IPOA in Ireland has called for the Government to scrap the planned ban on rented bedsits.
In 2008, the previous government announced plans to ban the traditional rented bedsit.
One-room units were to be phased out by new regulations insisting that rental units should have their own sanitary facilities.
The Irish Property Owners Association say that in 2013 landlords will have to comply with the legislation and close down or renovate this type of accommodation.
They say the current economic climate means that many of them will be unable to secure loans to renovate the property.
If bedsits are banned, they say, homelessness will increase as a result."


Hopefully come 2013, we will see the end of bedsits, been used as housing. Bedsits more like shacks, are modern-day slums. I have seen many around the city, where you have beds beside cookers, no washing facilities and health & safety issues, and other issues.

The IPOA say the banning of bedsits will result in homelessness. This utter rubbish motivated by greed. Landlords make huge amounts of money from renting such shacks, & have plenty of finance to redevelop bedsits into one-bedroom flats of good standards. Each year they take in millions of Tax-Payers money via the Rent Allowance. And also if not, or they don't want to, their is an abundance of empty flats duplexes & houses throughout the state. We may be economically ban jacked but we are not short on housing.

Come 2013 Ban Bedsits, then hopefully ban landlords!

[Ribeye]

Incredibly naive OP,

I couldn't care less about landlords or the IPOA, but the facts are very simple,

The Govt, via rent allowance and propping up zombie banks keeps rental rates on 1 bed apartments artificially high, now they plan to outlaw bedsits,

So if you are caught in the gap and can't afford to pay the crazy rent on a 1 bed, well, tough, you're on the streets, sorry mate,

Of course, in addition to making people homeless, this will also drive landlords to break the law, meaning no protection through a lease for tenants and worse conditions,

Nice joined up thinking lads,

If all I can afford is €20 a week and someone is willing to rent me a stable to sleep in, I'm better off than on the streets,

Govt has no place dictating where people should or shouldn't live, even if their intentions are good, it's economically illiterate in the extreme!

[peter barrins]

I agree - if rent supplement in Dublin for a single person living alone is now €475 per month while a one bedroom apartment is running at €700 or more, it's going to leave an awful lot of people in a predicament. Having said that, the Government should not be paying for sub standard accommodation or providing an income to landlords who have no conscience or moral barometer.

The majority of bedsit type accommodation is appalling. If landlords provided decent accommodation, then such regulations would not be required or they would be easy to comply with.

The Government has a duty to ensure basic minimum standards for residential accommodation - it's long overdue but, like everything else, will it be policed and enforced?

[bormotello]

"The association which represents landlords IPOA in Ireland has called for the Government to scrap the planned ban on rented bedsits.
In 2008, the previous government announced plans to ban the traditional rented bedsit.
One-room units were to be phased out by new regulations insisting that rental units should have their own sanitary facilities.
The Irish Property Owners Association say that in 2013 landlords will have to comply with the legislation and close down or renovate this type of accommodation.
They say the current economic climate means that many of them will be unable to secure loans to renovate the property.
If bedsits are banned, they say, homelessness will increase as a result."

There are plenty of accommodations in ghost estates

[peter barrins]

There are plenty of accommodations in ghost estates

Well off you go and join the other ghosts!

[The Field Marshal]

"The association which represents landlords IPOA in Ireland has called for the Government to scrap the planned ban on rented bedsits.
In 2008, the previous government announced plans to ban the traditional rented bedsit.
One-room units were to be phased out by new regulations insisting that rental units should have their own sanitary facilities.
The Irish Property Owners Association say that in 2013 landlords will have to comply with the legislation and close down or renovate this type of accommodation.
They say the current economic climate means that many of them will be unable to secure loans to renovate the property.
If bedsits are banned, they say, homelessness will increase as a result."


Hopefully come 2013, we will see the end of bedsits, been used as housing. Bedsits more like shacks, are modern-day slums. I have seen many around the city, where you have beds beside cookers, no washing facilities and health & safety issues, and other issues.

The IPOA say the banning of bedsits will result in homelessness. This utter rubbish motivated by greed. Landlords make huge amounts of money from renting such shacks, & have plenty of finance to redevelop bedsits into one-bedroom flats of good standards. Each year they take in millions of Tax-Payers money via the Rent Allowance. And also if not, or they don't want to, their is an abundance of empty flats duplexes & houses throughout the state. We may be economically ban jacked but we are not short on housing.

Come 2013 Ban Bedsits, then hopefully ban landlords!

Idiotic OP.

I lived in bedsits and in general found them cheap and cheerful.

This nonsense of having sanitary accommodation for each rented unit will reduce the numbers of available units and consequently increase rentals throughout the sector.


This is the Irish nanny state at its very worst.

If shared sanitary accommodation is a problem then regulations can be introduced to ensure that such facilities are properly maintained to ensure that the traditional cheap bedsit continues.

Hundreds of thousands of Irish students have availed of and enjoyed such cheap facilities over many years and nobody died.

[ivnryn]

This nonsense of having sanitary accommodation for each rented unit will reduce the numbers of available units and consequently increase rentals throughout the sector.

This will push up the price of accommodation. The primary objective of the government is to reduce the slide in house prices.

The more people that go into negative equity, the greater the chance of mass mortgage defaults and the government owns the banks debts.

There are plenty of accommodations in ghost estates

However, people won't buy/rent those houses if they can get cheap accommodation elsewhere.

[simeongrimes]

I agree with Field Marshall. I moved out of home into a bedsit and had great times. Sometimes it is all you need and you move on when you can.

[peter barrins]

Idiotic OP.

I lived in bedsits and in general found them cheap and cheerful.

This nonsense of having sanitary accommodation for each rented unit will reduce the numbers of available units and consequently increase rentals throughout the sector.


This is the Irish nanny state at its very worst.

If shared sanitary accommodation is a problem then regulations can be introduced to ensure that such facilities are properly maintained to ensure that the traditional cheap bedsit continues.

Hundreds of thousands of Irish students have availed of and enjoyed such cheap facilities over many years and nobody died.

I disagree! 50 years ago people lived in one room tenaments and had no sanitation or water but that would not be acceptable today! In the same way students today live in very nice accommodation with ensuite rooms and good facilities and are no longer subject to the squalor provided by many landlords.

Many bedsitters are not fit for human habitation and it's unfortunate that it will require Government legislation to eliminate these - something which is long overdue. I think it's unconscionable that such units still exist or, worse still, that the taxpayer is funding them via rent supplement. In many cases it would require a small outlay to improve the quality of these units but many landlords are simply too mean to do this.

In addition to the above, I think there should be rent control/regulation which would reduce the need for people to buy a place to live and would provide security of tenure.

[peter barrins]

I agree with Field Marshall. I moved out of home into a bedsit and had great times. Sometimes it is all you need and you move on when you can.

When was this? 30 years ago? Some bedsitters are fine but many are not. Perhaps you lived in a nice one!