Have the Governemnet Really Messed up with the early retirement scheme?

[RobertW]

FG/Lab said they were going to cut numbers. They are cutting numbers.

Another few little points to note tho; every year 3k to 4k people retire from PS. This year those retirements are happening at the one time + 4k others. I don't think it will be a disaster.

Also of that 8k leaving we have 34 midwives heading off. Tis hardly a huge amount

I wish people would think a bit before they jump on the dramatic headlines. If the ps can't manage I would welcome a re-negogiation on Croke Park - and I say that as a ps worker

Surprised I haven't noticed a champagne socialist like you here before

[Astral Peaks]

Have the Governemnet Really Messed up with the early retirement scheme?"



Government, surely?

[Super Snooper]

bet anything there delighted all them gards an nurses is goin sos they can close hospitals an things

[constitutionus]

It's another proud Fianna Fáil creation.

aided and abetted by "social partnership".

anyone with a brain knows if you have to get rid of staff you do it on a "last in first out " basis with a cavaet to deny redundancy to anyone considerd indespensible.

but no not our best and brightest.

they gotta get rid of best paid, most skilled recession experienced staff with the highest cost to do so.

all because they havent the balls to tackle david beg and jack o connor.

[smitchy2]

It was an expensive agreed commitment from the previous government. The current government is honouring it to reduce numbers quick.
Dont blame people in their 50's taking it as they will never be able to have such good benefits in the next 20 years.

[Con Gallagher]

To be honest I have to assume the early retirement scheme was one of the "mines" Brian Lenihan joked about with a twinkle in his when he left office.

That was my thought up until yesterday, when we found out that the new crowd hadn't amended it to exclude the Director of Corporate Enforcement. The new government were aware of the impact (eg teachers leaving before the end of the school year ) but didn't do anything about it.

1) There needs to be targetted removal of the minority of deadwood/clockwatchers/useless/sick/stressed from the public service - it is call management.

2) Those who do retire early from the public service should not be able to get the benefit of their pension if they take up employment in the private sector.

3) There should be certain categories of public sector workers who should be precluded from taking up employment in certain setors after early retirement because of conflicts of interest and the fear that the last period in the public sector is perceived to be influenced by the move eg this should appply to revenue, regulators, gardai, judges, ministers and EU Commissioners.

[crossman]

This was always going to be a problem but it is overhyped. There are thousands of retirements every year. It is just that most of them have been brought forward to February. There always had to be a date after which the pay cuts hit pensions. FF put this back so they would not have to deal with a sudden mass exodus.

The problem is the embargo on recruitment and other cuts. These are interacting with the retirements. By the way, it is not really an early retirement scheme. The only people who find it worthwhile are those at or near 40 years service. Pensions will still only be paid from normal retirement age (usually 60). Anyone who retires earlier gets a lower (actuaraily reduced) pension which would negate the benefit of going now anyway.

[RobertW]

all because they havent the balls to tackle david beg and jack o connor.

Of course - David and Jack love hearing and reading this as it gives the impression that they give a fk about those who pay their massively uncut Celtic Tiger Union wages.

Simple fact is that David & Jack do what they're told from Government.

[mickmick]

, mid-wives will disappear in an already stretched environment, etc.

I do hope that pun was intentional :^)

[ivnryn]

Management 101 would tell you that if you are cutting down numbers in your team you need to identify and ring-fence those staff members needed to ensure continuity of efficiences within the team. Otherwise, you have a drain of experienced people and while you are left with the "right" number of people, you are left with the wrong skills mix.

Also, the people who would be likely to be most willing to resign (i.e. the most skilled, who can get other jobs) are exactly the ones you don't want to lose.