Is the level of anger in Ireland growing? Is the apathy turning to anger?

[SKELLY]

We all know that there is a core group of posters on this site and we all have our bones to pick from every side of the house.

but outside the P.ie bubble, the real world, yes it does still exist! is the apathy that has plagued the populous wearing thin?

One thing i did notice amongst my circle of friends in the past few weeks was the searing looks of anger when the broadcast charge was mentioned.
Something i hadnt really noticed before. Before it was "ah sure their all the same" , "what can we do?" "there just as bad as the last crowd" etc.

Now im hearing more virulent language being used, alot of which i wont repeat.I can see alot more stress in my friends.
This is the 4th year of austerity with another 2/3 harsh budgets to go? Its utter madness. People are going to snap.
This isnt a repeat of the eighties. Something tells me our politicians think it is.
In the eighties we had no money. Today we have no money but on top of that people have massive debts.

Is Rabbitte's broadcast charge pet project about to poke the sleeping giant?
Has anyone else noticed a change in people?

[edwin]

We all know that there is a core group of posters on this site and we all have our bones to pick from every side of the house.

but outside the P.ie bubble, the real world, yes it does still exist! is the apathy that has plagued the populous wearing thin?

One thing i did notice amongst my circle of friends in the past few weeks was the searing looks of anger when the broadcast charge was mentioned.
Something i hadnt really noticed before. Before it was "ah sure their all the same" , "what can we do?" "there just as bad as the last crowd" etc.

Now im hearing more virulent language being used, alot of which i wont repeat.I can see alot more stress in my friends.
This is the 4th year of austerity with another 2/3 harsh budgets to go? Its utter madness. People are going to snap.
This isnt a repeat of the eighties. Something tells me our politicians think it is.
In the eighties we had no money. Today we have no money but on top of that people have massive debts.

Is Rabbitte's broadcast charge pet project about to poke the sleeping giant?
Has anyone else noticed a change in people?

No. People in the real world have much more cop on than the loons on here.

[olli rehn]

Certainly the anger is growing.
Austerity is clearly not working. We are all running faster and faster but do not get forward at all.
The government tightens the thumb screws all the time. More and more taxes are sqeezed out of the people and the talk is about many more years of screwing us.
Unemployment is not sinking and the industry does not grow.Another recession is looming.
And the five point plan has been thrown into the bin of election lies.
This crowd has nothing better to offer than the last one.
People who have been hopefull about FG/LB are getting frustrated.
Yes- the wind is changing.
I wonder if we are getting a vicious storm before the good weather finally returns.

[BlackLion]

Revolutions are years in the making. This self entitlement mentality that we as a people have, might turn this anger into action. We are so used to getting things handed to us and now that the young people don't have a future, that "want"! will not be met so frustration builds.

So when will the straw that breaks the back appear? who really knows? no one foresaw some Tunisian veggie seller lighting himself up to bring on change in the arab world in a way that Osama or bush could do. The sooner we act the less damage will be done to the future.

[edwin]

Revolutions are years in the making. This self entitlement mentality that we as a people have, might turn this anger into action. We are so used to getting things handed to us and now that the young people don't have a future, that "want"! will not be met so frustration builds.

So when will the straw that breaks the back appear? who really knows? no one foresaw some Tunisian veggie seller lighting himself up to bring on change in the arab world in a way that Osama or bush could do. The sooner we act the less damage will be done to the future.

Are you suggesting someone on Moore Street should torch themselves???

[chriskavo]

Are you suggesting someone on Moore Street should torch themselves???

We could always start with you. Please .. please...please!!! be Ireland's first self immolation sacrifice so that we can
p!ss all over you.

[YouKnowWhatIMeanLike]

I think the EU/IMF/ECB bailout has reasonably well insulated the middle and upper class from too much economic hardship and most importantly introduced certainty to many households in the country. What Rabbitte proposes is a basic necessity for running the services, what he actually introduces or not is minor issue.

I think the most important factor will be the challenge to close the government deficit over the next 5 years and continue to pay back the promissory notes. If that fails and the bills just pile up Ireland will be in tremendously difficult position. As #taxi driver mentioned yesterday Ireland would have to leave the Eurozone, default and start from scratch. Let's say if that scenario takes shape sometime in 2013 I could see angry people take to the streets and turn vigilante.

But as long as the government can pay the people on the dole (500,000) at around €1,500 a month or whatever it is, keep paying the wider public sector workers (450,000) and make sure to keep some of the private sector workers (1,000,000) in the job you will not see that anger turn into physical violence I would think.

[chriskavo]

I think the EU/IMF/ECB bailout has reasonably well insulated the middle and upper class from too much economic hardship and most importantly introduced certainty to many households in the country. What Rabbitte proposes is a basic necessity in running the services, what he actually introduces or not is minor issue.

I think the most important factor will be the challenge to close the government deficit over the next 5 years and continue to pay back the promissory notes. If that fails and the bills just pile up Ireland will be in tremendously difficult position. As #taxi driver mentioned yesterday Ireland would have to leave the Eurozone, default and start from scratch. Let's say if that scenario takes shape sometime in 2013 I could see angry people take to the streets and turn vigilante.

But as long as the government can pay the people on the dole (500,000) at around €1,500 a month or whatever it is, keep paying the wider public sector workers (450,000) and make sure to keep some of the private sector workers (1,000,000) in the job you will not see that anger turn into physical violence I would think.

It will destroy the middle class eventually.

[edwin]

We could always start with you. Please .. please...please!!! be Ireland's first self immolation sacrifice so that we can
p!ss all over you.

Only if I'm standing right next to you (stay right there)

[Mitsui2]

It will destroy the middle class eventually.

It will. Perhaps not just financially, depending how it goes.

But I don't believe that any change will be the result of anybody's plan. This is Irelad.

It will be amoks who get sh1t going, when and if....