Socialism or two-tier capitalism?

[realpolitic]

Which is better, socialism or two-tier capitalism were thousands
are left out and excluded? Perhaps, a bit of both is what we have, but it's
leaning more and more to the latter.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I don't think "two-tier capitalism" is about leaving people out. Public and private can complement each other, rather than conflicting with each other. For example in France, 30% of the hospitals are private, providing 15% of the bed-capacity. The private-sector can help take pressure of overcrowding off the public-hospitals. One of the most annoying aspects of Socialism is its prejudice against the private-sector.

[doheochai]

There is no such thing as two-tier capitalism - there's just capitalism pure and simple - the exploitation of the majority in society for the benefit of a small minority.

[Halibut]

Congrats. You've just invented a new phrase. Not a very clever one mind you.

[TradCat]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

[doheochai]

I don't think "two-tier capitalism" is about leaving people out. Public and private can complement each other, rather than conflicting with each other. For example in France, 30% of the hospitals are private, providing 15% of the bed-capacity. The private-sector can help take pressure of overcrowding off the public-hospitals. One of the most annoying aspects of Socialism is its prejudice against the private-sector.

Oh Bullsh*t of the highest order. Private health care is about profit not treating patients. Private operators couldn't give a fiddlers about public patients - there is no profit in it. I have absolutely no problem with private hospitals - but they should not receive any tax breaks and the payments to private hospitals should not be tax deductable.

Like Alan Sugar once said 'I'd make nuclear weapons if I could make a profit from it'. - profit, profit and more profit.

[FutureTaoiseach]

There is no such thing as two-tier capitalism - there's just capitalism pure and simple - the exploitation of the majority in society for the benefit of a small minority.

You see there you lefties ago again "exploitation". It's almost as if people who have a job in the private-sector or who are taking our private health-insurance are "exploiters" i.e. 75% and 54% of the population respectively. What's wrong with public and private sharing the burden of treating the population? It seems an ideal way of relieving the burden of overcrowding in public-hospitals. Get your heads out of Das Kapital for a sec and you'll get what I'm saying....

Oh Bullsh*t of the highest order. Private health care is about profit not treating patients. Private operators couldn't give a fiddlers about public patients - there is no profit in it. I have absolutely no problem with private hospitals - but they should not receive any tax breaks and the payments to private hospitals should not be tax deductable.

Like Alan Sugar once said 'I'd make nuclear weapons if I could make a profit from it'. - profit, profit and more profit.

They should receive tax-breaks because if the burden of overcrowding in hospitals is to end we need more hospitals. And bitter experience shows the wheels move much faster in the private-sector. It took 12 yrs to build Tallaght (public) Hospital compared to 2 yrs for the Beacon (private) hospital. You are bigoted against the private-sector and are promoting a bankrupt ideology - Socialism - that crippled the economies of Eastern Europe for 50 yrs.

[Halibut]

Profit is a dirty word?

[The Collective.]

But Cuba is an amazingly free country. Name one bad thing that the Chinnese government has done?

[doheochai]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!