Socialism or two-tier capitalism?

[FutureTaoiseach]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!

That will grow in the long run like it did in this country.

[Halibut]

I'm free to holiday there. Cuban's, however, aren't free to holiday here.

[doheochai]

But Cuba is an amazingly free country. Name one bad thing that the Chinnese government has done?

There you go - assuming I support the regime in Cuba

[doheochai]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!

That will grow in the long run like it did in this country.

It hasn't for the last 50 years

[ibis]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!

What, in places like Ethiopia?

There is no such thing as two-tier capitalism - there's just capitalism pure and simple - the exploitation of the majority in society for the benefit of a small minority.

So, when I've devised a product, and decide to try and sell it, and employ people to do so - in exactly what way am I "exploiting the majority"?

[doheochai]

They should receive tax-breaks because if the burden of overcrowding in hospitals is to end we need more hospitals. And bitter experience shows the wheels move much faster in the private-sector. It took 12 yrs to build Tallaght (public) Hospital compared to 2 yrs for the Beacon (private) hospital. You are bigoted against the private-sector and are promoting a bankrupt ideology - Socialism - that crippled the economies of Eastern Europe for 50 yrs.

Overcrowding in hospitals should be solved by building more public hospitals not by shutting them down. The building of private hospitals has/will not do anything to reduce overcrowding.

The wheels turn much faster in the private sector for two reasons (1) the private sector can bribe people to get stuff done and (2) The EU has developed idiotic regulations about tendering everything down to the smallest paperclip out to the private sector.

And again you are assuming that I support the former stalinist regimes of Eastern Europe.

[Halibut]

ibis, you had the temerity to have an idea which employed people. That's a cardinal sin for commies.

[doheochai]

So, when I've devised a product, and decide to try and sell it, and employ people to do so - in exactly what way am I "exploiting the majority"?

The only way you can make a profit is by (1) not paying the workers you employ the value of their labour and (2) charging customers more than the value of the product.

[Sligoboy]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!

That will grow in the long run like it did in this country.

What a tosser... Marie Antoinette would be proud.

I was going to ignore this thread seeingas it was deliberately started by a known troll to stir ************************, but when idiots like FT say 'Time' will cure all the ills of the world I couldn't let that go.

Capitalism has copperfastened poverty in the 3rd world, it will never ever ever cure it. Capitalism is about exploitation, the accumalation of wealth and profit. Inequality is necessary to sustain this. The amount of profit to be made on a global scale is 'finite' as in one big pie as are global resources, the west through capitalism takes by far the biggest slice, leaving over 3 billion people to starve and live in squalor.

Socialism is not a failed ideology because it has never been implemented in its truest form in any country

[TradCat]

Socialism is a discredited ideology and anyone who still supports it is by definition an idiot. It is the creationism of political theory, held by faith in opposition to the established evidence.

ask the 3 billion people on the plant, who live on less than $2 a day, how credible capitalism is!

Ask them what country they'd like to move to. America or North Korea? You can criticise Capitalism as much as you want and I'll agree with you on a lot of it. But Socialism is no solution to anything. Abolishing the market system to solve poverty is like abolishing boats to prevent floods, counter-productive and utterly beside the point.