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    my reading of all this is that gerry adams is a future candidate for the job in the park, provided it is not done away with to keep him out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Interesting - no one thinking of Trevor? Very surprised about middle class voter going with Daly.
    Reminds me of canvassing a very affluent part of DL in 2007. Met an old ascendency type who's reply was "Oh no, I'm voting for Richard" all I could think of was turkeys & Christmas
    Yes, its very interesting. I remember there was a TV programme on the 2007 election and Rich Boy Barrett was canvassing people in the 07 BMWs and Mercs as they waited in traffic on their way into work and he was getting a very good reaction. The biggest issue it seems for radical socialists in DL are some public baths!!!For the wealthy giving a vote to an innocuous sounding people before profit is grand and Rich boy does sound like a south dub rugger type!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tough Paddy View Post
    We're in danger of going around in circles as we've both stated our cases at this stage. I've highlighted the above part though as an example of how you really need to lose the inferiority complex and just because I disagree with you isn't enough on its own to deem it an anti-shinner rant

    I completely disagree with a national government at the moment, Why would F.G and Labour give a ministry to S.F. Fianna Fail will need a long time to regain any credibility, We have just seen the good job Noonan and Doherty have been doing for the last few weeks. With over 20 seats of a majority F.G. and Labour must be held to account. Been practical it now looks as if Sinn Fein will be in the best position to provide that. The more seats they have the better they will be able to do their duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turdsl View Post
    I completely disagree with a national government at the moment, Why would F.G and Labour give a ministry to S.F. Fianna Fail will need a long time to regain any credibility, We have just seen the good job Noonan and Doherty have been doing for the last few weeks. With over 20 seats of a majority F.G. and Labour must be held to account. Been practical it now looks as if Sinn Fein will be in the best position to provide that. The more seats they have the better they will be able to do their duty.
    Dear God! I have to go now and I'll get back to this but at no point did I ever mention a national government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by im axeled View Post
    my reading of all this is that gerry adams is a future candidate for the job in the park, provided it is not done away with to keep him out of it.
    The problem for Adams is that the presidential election is coming about a year or two too soon.

    If the Presidential election was in 2012 or 2013 well then as leader of the opposition or even if SF is not the biggest party as the real opposition leader (FF will find it hard to be credible in oppostion for a while) he could have built up his profile and had a few years to gain the trust of the electorate. I don't think he will have enough time by this autumn to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Interesting - no one thinking of Trevor? Very surprised about middle class voter going with Daly.
    Reminds me of canvassing a very affluent part of DL in 2007. Met an old ascendency type who's reply was "Oh no, I'm voting for Richard" all I could think of was turkeys & Christmas
    Noone for GP, but they tend to do better among female voters round here - i still think he's in a very dangerous position though, esp with GP averaging around 2-2.5% in polls. Also it wasn't Balbriggan where he'd get a better vote

    But yeah, the trotskyist left is very often largely university educated (notable exceptions of course) Clare herself was a DCU student union leader and I think her Dad was an army officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tough Paddy View Post
    Dear God! I have to go now and I'll get back to this but at no point did I ever mention a national government.

    Sorry I do not mean to hold you up. I mentioned it, that is the only way S.F would be in government this time.. I would never support it.
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    More from the Red C poll:
    That situation is reversed this month - but only just. Fianna Fáil’s working class support stands at 19 per cent; Sinn Féin’s at 18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonethrower View Post
    Yes, its very interesting. I remember there was a TV programme on the 2007 election and Rich Boy Barrett was canvassing people in the 07 BMWs and Mercs as they waited in traffic on their way into work and he was getting a very good reaction. The biggest issue it seems for radical socialists in DL are some public baths!!!For the wealthy giving a vote to an innocuous sounding people before profit is grand and Rich boy does sound like a south dub rugger type!

    I learnt to swim in those baths matey and I'm no rich boy,used to get ice pops at Teddies after swimming at Bug Rock too.Not that you would know the place,but my point being public baths matter to working class people too.Labour will drift away at their own peril,they'll be okay for now with FF senior PS types and teachers who fear they have been pushed away from the trough.But those votes are only on loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dónal na geallaí View Post
    I learnt to swim in those baths matey and I'm no rich boy,used to get ice pops at Teddies after swimming at Bug Rock too.Not that you would know the place,but my point being public baths matter to working class people too.
    I discovered years later that I was allergic to the chlorine added as a result of 100 kids pi..g in the water. I thought they were full of fleas as I itched like mad after being in the water so I quit using them before I learned to swim. I have never understood the attraction they had for people who would not be caught dead using them. I suspect the truth is more mundane, people did not want the property development that was proposed for the site.
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