Dublin Bus puts up prices at short notice - where are the Greens ?

[Pax]

Decent urban public transport is generally provided by a well subsidised public sector.
This report is a few years old - don't think things have changed much.
"Table 4 shows Norway (Bergin), Northern Ireland (Belfast) and Ireland (Dublin) as
having the lowest, second lowest and third lowest average subvention rates for urban
bus services."www.transport.ie/upload/general/2567.pdf

The Greens don't do the public sector anymore ye see. Unless it's subsidising the Banker's class!

I think all access to public buses should be free. It would largely pay for itself in pollution and traffic reductions. While acting as a disincentive to unnecessary private transport.

Unfortunately, the semi-states are only run in their own private interests, and by managers with a limited and pro-privatisation mindset. While the Greens are wedded to a neoliberal contracting-out PPP market. (you know, part of the fantastic market ideology we are enjoying the effects off.)

[Pax]

So you allow the private sector onto the profitable routes but obviously they wont have any interest in the others so the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill. A bit like the banking sector isn't it? Profits are private and losses are public.

You'll also find that, like in the UK, the subvention to the private bus operators will end up being more than it is to a publicly run bus service.

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You'll also find that, like in the UK, the subvention to the private bus operators will end up being more than it is to a publicly run bus service.

That'd be the transport system in London that despite covering a massive area and servicing over 12 million people puts our inability to provide anything close to a decent service for 1.2 million to utter shame

Let me see London, cheaper with an uncomplicated fare structure , integrated ticketing , real time info at bus stops ,accepts cash and gives change, prepaid tickets offering huge discounts and user friendly bus stops and web site, sensible on/off policy that are a pleasure to use and hooks up with other transport options....

Dublin Bus , no integrated ticketing, no real time information , brutal (if any)information at bus stops , prepaid ticketing that actually costs more (dear jesus only in Ireland), stupidly complicated fare structure (whats a stage ??ffs) rip off refusal to give change , chaos during on/off and views other transport options as "the enemy" and run for the benefit of management and unions with customers rarely considered

But its ideologically sound because its not private eh?????
Dear God no wonder our public services are so utterly brutal

[Pax]

But its ideologically sound because its not private eh?????
Dear God no wonder our public services are so utterly brutal

You could have really cut all the guff prior to the above as it's irrelevant to a comparison of transport costs via public or private PPP provision. An integrated ticketing system can be introduced into either. Furthermore it's best to compare like-for-like when realising the state subvention is more to the for-profits.

I'd still be in favour of tickets, but only insofar is a measuring device with regard to conumer feedback/transport-consumption. It should be provided entirely free at the point of delivery (or, eh, entry in this case)

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All overtime should be cancelled in Dublin Bus until they balance the books.

If driver doesn`t show up, no bus.

Sick pay should also be looked at.

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You could have really cut all the guff prior to the above as it's irrelevant to a comp
arison of transport costs via public or private PPP provision.

An integrated ticketing system can be introduced into either. Furthermore it's best to compare like-for-like when realising the state subvention is more to the for-profits.

Guff? is that a new word to replace the need for you to make any sort of coherent or reasonable point ? or even point out where you think Im incorrect


And your claims of higher levels of intervention in the UK might have some credibility if backed up by some independent report. Given general lower levels of public service payments in the UK Im skeptical

Simply put ... by those of us that dont really care whether the bus we're on is public and private as long as it provides a good service
The Bus service of London is cheap , customer friendly and efficient
Dublin bus despite being given a monopoly , miles of bus lanes , exclusive use of the city centre for the main travel peaks of every day is still at least 2 decades behind its London equivalent ...... ie its crap (and passenger numbers are falling)

The fare rises in the OP despite being tiny are simply further evidence that despite DCC's attempts to force people on to buses the service simply doesn't exist. Dublin Bus has been given every opportunity to maintain its monopoly but is an organisation structurally and culturally incapable of putting the customer first ( a flagship for Irelands PS so to speak)

Where else in the world is a prepaid multi trip ticket more expensive than using cash ffs
In London an oyster card (offering massive discounts and calcualtes your lowest fare or a day card if that works out cheaper) as an encouragement to use Public Transport, usable on rail , underground, bus, light railway, tram ... In dublin you pay 5 euro for a card that still charges you the full fare and is only valid on 1 of our 4 service providers

I'd still be in favour of tickets, but only insofar is a measuring device with regard to conumer feedback/transport-consumption. It should be provided entirely free at the point of delivery (or, eh, entry in this case)

Well firstly it buses can be free but your hardly likely to get one if it doesn't bring you where you want to go ..... In my case Abbey street apparently is where I always want to go ... nowhere else .....

And secondly , care to tell us which taxes you wish to raise to pay Dublin bus the extra intervention..........

[Pax]

I'd still be in favour of tickets, but only insofar is a measuring device with regard to conumer feedback/transport-consumption. It should be provided entirely free at the point of delivery (or, eh, entry in this case)

And secondly , care to tell us which taxes you wish to raise to pay Dublin bus the extra intervention..........

Go back and read my first post. The one you replied to, and where I said such transport enterprises should not look after only their own bottom line. And how the likely uptake in public transport would reduce carbon costs and traffic costs.