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    Myers is spot on this time.
    One of the moderators on here really wrecks my head with his/her power mad ego
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    Quote Originally Posted by wretchedwilbur View Post
    Loaf , losing a friend in a crash doesn't give you some type of "edge" in social argument. And I don't require any of your wool.

    You showed your moral colours when you stooped vilely low with your "mother" reference - beyond what is acceptable in a sober discussion.
    I couldn't care less about an 'edge'. I'm not arguing with you. There's nothing to argue about - you espouse something that I find repugnant on a visceral level. I neither need nor have any desire to justify that to you.

    If you want to obsess about a throwaway line I used in response to a poster that made me genuinely angry, good luck.

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    I posted here before my belief that the pressure of producing a daily column , along with an inherent hate of this country based on some job application experience by his father , has driven Myers over the edge a long time ago.
    Multiple deaths of teenagers , whatever the cause , result in trauma for many innocent relatives and friends. It is simply an act of consideration to express condolences to those in mourning.
    There is a huge issue around road behaviour by young drivers. Banning flowers or dissing them at funerals is going to do little to tackle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunlin3 View Post
    Hard to disagree with Kevin Myers today and the way we celebrate the deaths of reckless idiots with the President and Taoiseach sending condoleneces to their familys. Where's the condelences for the other young people who die through illness and at no fault of their own?

    Kevin Myers: 'Our society must stop celebrating lives of reckless car-crash teens' - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie
    What a wrathful article! So much anger amongst people these days. No wonder young people get involved in these accidents. Our society is so dysfunctional from a loss of basic values, such as compassion.

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    Funerals are about the living, not the dead. The tragedy of young people dying is all about the people left behind, saying that they should feel ashamed at how their children died on top of their grief is sickening.

    Statements like "Not merely should the driver be banned from driving, for anything from a decade to life, but so too should his passengers" have me scratching my head. He's suggesting that young drivers and their passengers should be treated far more severely for minor infractions than older drivers are for serious craziness, like drink driving.

    Reactionary idiot, and if you think he's right about it, you seriously need help.

    Young people do stupid things, we're built that way, you were, I was, it's just how it is. If you never did something stupid when you were young, you should be ashamed of yourself. You're all just lucky you survived, you should feel sad for those that don't.

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    Some reasonable points there. But to suggest that young people are thinking about glamorous funerals, when they get in a car at 2am, is wrong.

    To punish passengers of speeding vehicles is hard to legislate for and almost impossbile to enforce.

    Myers is surprisingly coherent today. unusual.

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    I read the thread with interest and just thought would throw in my two cents. Youth is a time when we all do wreckless things, it's part of a steep learning curve and some people happen to be a lot more cautious than others. The tone of the posts from here of those who are denigrating the incident with their inferrance of those in the crash deserving what they got smacks of heartlessness. Those of you under thirty who have not taken drugs, not driven fast, not worn a condom during sex, not drank yourselves stupid, not been in a fight or not done some other wreckless act throw the first stone.......


    I think you will find most of the stones will be laying on the ground......

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    Quote Originally Posted by typical View Post
    Young people do stupid things, we're built that way, you were, I was, it's just how it is. If you never did something stupid when you were young, you should be ashamed of yourself.
    Well i wouldn't go that far either. We shouldn't make generalisations, people are different and react differently to different situations.

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    Loaf, I read in an article related to this, and I will post the link in a while, that a person isn't actually a fully mature adult until after the age of 25. Their hazard perception isn't fully developed nor is their maturity.

    A car in the wrong hands is a dangerous weapon just as a gun in the wrong hands is a dangerous weapon while a gun in the hands of a mature stable adult should pose no threat to society.

    If someone walks down the street waving a loaded gun about and then accidently shoots themself, are we supposed to be sorry for them? The same goes for a young adult driving down the street recklessly. The only way these guys learn is an accident. Unfortunatly all too often they put other people in wheelchairs too.

    It's a serious subject. Just like we have a culture of over-drinking in this country, we also have a culture of allowing kids speed off in cars without the proper skills. That culture needs to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typical View Post
    Reactionary idiot, and if you think he's right about it, you seriously need help.

    Young people do stupid things, we're built that way, you were, I was, it's just how it is. If you never did something stupid when you were young, you should be ashamed of yourself. You're all just lucky you survived, you should feel sad for those that don't.
    Years ago everyone drank and drove, smoked while pregnant and put kids in the back of cars unrestrained. Society changed and all this is unacceptable now.

    I understand the kid's lust for thrills, I was, as you say, lucky. What I want to see is a respectful, compassionate but effective mid point being reached that educates youth to look for less reckless thrills. In part, for that to happen, reckless driving needs to be utterly un-cool and unacceptable.

    a lesser ban for travelling in a car where the driver is underage/un-insured/unlicenced etc and an automatic 10 year ban for a range of driving offences is needed

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