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Thread: What did Brian Cowen know about Anglo and when did he know it?

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    Dont be surprised if Biffo denies it. After all Michael Martin said he was not told properly about nursing home fiasco, he was only given the file going inmto a meeting and he never read it. Cost us billions as a result. Remember Bank enquiry only extends up to 29th. Sept. 2008, not AFTER when all the important decisions were made. Enda Kenny said last night that he will open all the books and expose the golden circle. There is some hope.
    You'd think Kenny committed Treason and brought in IMF. Cowen had all in stitches in Galway at 3.30a.m.but he was "not impaired" -DD Power. FF=Publican páirtí an IMF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    My reply was to "what will Anglo cost us", not how much has Anglo lost and in that context it is perfectly valid to include the bond buy back as it saves us money on recap.
    It is valid but the way you are adding it up is incorrect.

    If Anglo hadn't done the buy back then the total recap would have been €14bn and not the projected €12bn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    You're counting the same losses twice and not allowing for the 2 billion (so far) that Anglo has saved through bondholder write off.

    We're at 10 billion in total after the next and hopefully last recap.
    Good stuff. So let me get my post-Triple Crown, guaranteed! head together. The losses that Anglo are projecting for the last financial period (over 15 months) of €14b or so, takes into account the losses on the transfers to NAMA?

    They're not separate then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malbekh View Post
    Good stuff. So let me get my post-Triple Crown, guaranteed! head together. The losses that Anglo are projecting for the last financial period (over 15 months) of €14b or so, takes into account the losses on the transfers to NAMA?

    They're not separate then?
    No, one and the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaded_Estate View Post
    It is valid but the way you are adding it up is incorrect.

    If Anglo hadn't done the buy back then the total recap would have been €14bn and not the projected €12bn.
    No, it's a question of their need, not a question of bringing them back to where they would be if none of this had happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    No, one and the same.
    Right. And the reason they have been able to calculate this, is because the value of the loans was fixed back in late 2009. The only issue up until now has been the level of the discount provided, which we can agree to be 40%?

    So depending on the perspective our total loss (so far) with Anglo is either €10b or €12b.

    Would that be correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malbekh View Post
    Right. And the reason they have been able to calculate this, is because the value of the loans was fixed back in late 2009. The only issue up until now has been the level of the discount provided, which we can agree to be 40%?

    So depending on the perspective our total loss (so far) with Anglo is either €10b or €12b.

    Would that be correct?
    Don't know about the discount until we see it, but yes, total loss about 10 billion and that should be it. Anglo did make an operating profit last year of 600/800 million I think, so there is the prospect of dragging some if not all of the 10 billion back over time, depending on what use can be made of it as a bank from now on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    No, it's a question of their need, not a question of bringing them back to where they would be if none of this had happened.

    That is just mumbo-jumbo tonic.

    Anglo is projected to get €12bn (€4bn previously and another €8bn in the next few weeks) from the state in recapitalization money, that is what we have lost so far.

    They have also got another €10bn in very dodgy repos from the CB that are very unlikely to be repaid in full.

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    I wonder if Cowen will be hauled in to help with enquiries?

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    What's a few thousand million euro worth?

    Twenty-nine deaths by suicide can be directly linked to the turmoil in the construction and property sector
    Take a bow, Ahern, McCreevy and Cowen.


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