waning?Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
they are the biggest landowners in the State!
lucky for these criminals i am powerless. if i had the power not one of them would remain in the country and their misbegotten properties would be turned over to the state SUMMARILY!
To me it seems to be about torture, not corporal punishment. And it's different because regular teachers don't vow to obey the principal, and they can leave a lot easier than a nun can.
I think it's actually about context. The behaviour described in the letter is deplorable, but it is a fact that much we now find properly unacceptable was common place in earlier times, and was not confined to a particular religious tradition.
Please read Founded on Fear By Peter Tyrrell, about life in letterfrack. He was put in because they were poor, mother sick , father no good only make his wife pregnant every year. This is very sad, but thats what state and church gave us. Now we have street children, drug abuse. Every era has its own pitfalls. Please remember that one of the worst physical abusers I met was a lay teacher. And when John Boland(FG) abolished corporal punishment in 1982, he was wildly criticised by INTO among others. Speak up Joe O Toole.
You'd think Kenny committed Treason and brought in IMF. Cowen had all in stitches in Galway at 3.30a.m.but he was "not impaired" -DD Power. FF=Publican páirtí an IMF.
"[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] “Our view where schools are concerned is that physical force is not the solution. If we show young people that the only way of ensuring good behaviour is through physical force, then we are sending messages to the next generation about the use of violence.
“The INTO policy is clear — we are opposed to the use of corporal punishment in the schools, and we have no interest in seeing it reintroduced.”
Joe O'Toole, Irish Examiner, 21/1/2000
The Examiner - News From Ireland - 21, January, 2000
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Wait until the stories are told of the extreme physical violence meted out by lay teachers in national schools.
Small wonder that so many sought refuge in alcohol.
Corporal punishment was common in almost every country until the latter part of the 20th century. It was carried out by lay and religious alike. It was banned in Ireland ahead of many other EU countries.
- Ireland '82, Germany '83 and in the UK later again.
Where it existed it was inevitable that there would be excesses, as in the op.
Those of you who believe it was limited to Catholic institutions might benefit from a little research on the subject.
btw, personally I believe this present generation will stand condemned as the greatest abusers of children in history.
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And the biggest educators. That letter is sickening.
I was in primary in the 1970s and we had teachers in Tallaght who used steel rulers turned on their edges on our hands and knuckles. We were not always the easiest to teach, but there was no call for it. It caught on across a good few of the teachers over time.
And some of those teachers would have been teaching until quite recently.
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I'll bet you don't see the irony in that.
If you think the State or society are blameless in all this you really have your head somewhere dark.
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I don't think I'm the first one to shed a tear after reading that.
It makes me wonder why the question in the public domain is should Cardinal Brady resign and not How long should Cardinal Brady go to prison for.
How could the doctor go into that home and treat that child and not go to the gardai. How could he not go to the head of the order even. how could the other nun not do anything. Would the woman who told him to come away from the stream have done anything if he had told her what happened.
Thats absolutely gut wrenching. I hope a TD see's this here and makes sure that it is read into the Dáil record. It deserves to be recorded as part of our history and should be put in text books as a reminder of what we were.
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