Huge reaction to letter of Physical abuse on Midwest Radio.

[SirHenryGrattan]

[quote=Fantasia;2537822]

good for your Gran! She probably saved his life.

Look at the nature shows on TV. Not one female animal species of the wild would endure seeing their off spring threatened or endangered and vis a versa!! WTF is it with Irish womanhood anyway!? Molestation the order of the day and now we are deservedly the laughing stock of the world thanks to this RC freak show- even more so after the B16 'apology'.

Not even a couple of Euros to pay for therapy.

Who let you out of the Asylum? There are plenty of species in nature who eat their young. The media is lettered with reports of women who abuse their children.

You are the most ignorant and uniformed poster on this site.

[SirHenryGrattan]

That's bullshyte as you now talking loads of blarney.

Garda statements were given to the board as part of it including medical records of hospitalisation as well.

There were some bad apples who try to take an advantage of it by lying. Their cases were dismissed. The R Board treated the victims very badly as some of them (true victims) ended being traumatised all over again.

The govt here has supported the redress board which was and is a disgrace.

For example, Govt has said nothing so far re pope's letter as they were trying to avoid it being caught up in all of these things again .

The Redress Board has pros and cons. The pros are that residents of the industrial schools did not have to through the courts and to pursue their claims, the burden of proof was less than what is normally required in civil cases and compensation levels are very generous by international standards. The cons are lack of transparency due to binding confidentiality agreements imposed on the participants and the fact that no one was brought to justice.

In my view any religious accused of sex crimes and common assault should have been tried in court regardless of any compensation deal.

[Disabled student]

The Redress Board has pros and cons. The pros are that residents of the industrial schools did not have to through the courts and to pursue their claims, the burden of proof was less than what is normally required in civil cases and compensation levels are very generous by international standards. The cons are lack of transparency due to binding confidentiality agreements imposed on the participants and the fact that no one was brought to justice.

Yes you are correct re level of proof BUT the monetary awards - compenstation are very low compared to the cases awarded in the courts which was three or four times than that offered by the Redress board. It was known that R Board gave as little as much as they treated victims very badly.

I know a girl who spent ten years in institutions got 5K ,other guy 5 years got 10k but never over and above 50k. It's rare cases of serious abuses that had also a high court claim as well in addition to the claim lodged in the Redress board. These victims have an option to choose as i know many solicitors in the gravy train advised them to go R board route instead of court to lessen the stress and strain etc. Not that many have went through the high court route hence that's why low level of awards given out by R boards.

In my view any religious accused of sex crimes and common assault should have been tried in court regardless of any compensation deal.

The gagging clause is one of bad cons by R board as it's peversion of justice because it imposes heavy penalties such as 2 years jail sentence or 25K fine.

Also no naming of the abusers as well whereas in the court it does name them. Also no penalties as well in the event of settlement.

[SirHenryGrattan]

The gagging clause is one of bad cons by R board as it's peversion of justice because it imposes heavy penalties such as 2 years jail sentence or 25K fine.

Also no naming of the abusers as well whereas in the court it does name them. Also no penalties as well in the event of settlement.

Confidentiality clauses of this type normally only relate specifically to the deliberations of the relevant entity. You cannot discuss the proceedings of the Ryan Commission but there is nothing to prevent you from walking into a Garda Station tomorrow and reporting assaults. In my opinion the statute of limitations should be lifted until those in the religious orders can be brought to justice. That's what the victims should ask for.

[Disabled student]

Confidentiality clauses of this type normally only relate specifically to the deliberations of the relevant entity. You cannot discuss the proceedings of the Ryan Commission but there is nothing to prevent you from walking into a Garda Station tomorrow and reporting assaults. In my opinion the statute of limitations should be lifted until those in the religious orders can be brought to justice. That's what the victims should ask for.

Please note that Ryan commission have nothing to do with that. It's the Redress board that impose this confidentiality clause They stated if you break a confidentiality clause, then you will be fined 25 K or a 2 year jail sentence. That's why it's a perversion of justice even a barrister admitted to me that it was badly drafted.

That clause has everything to do with the Redress board where they dealt with various successful applications.

[Fantasia]

[quote=SirHenryGrattan;2538998]

Who let you out of the Asylum? There are plenty of species in nature who eat their young. The media is lettered with reports of women who abuse their children.

You are the most ignorant and uniformed poster on this site.

Sir Henry Attenborough- name one female species that eats its young?

[Q-Tours]

Hamsters!

[bagel]

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Sir Henry Attenborough- name one female species that eats its young?

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