Greedy public sector bully boys to risk lives

[Baron von Biffo]

Disgraceful stuff from the PS. Tis all about money for them.

Workers who want to be paid! Whatever next? This is where giving the vote to footmen and chambermaids has led us.

They were quiet happy to take all the wage increases and gold pensions thanks to the work of the private sector.

Oh come on, even the Indo has backed away from the 'gold pensions' nonsense.

Remember that golden nugget 'pay equality' or 'wage equality' or 'public private parity' that the unions were so fond of?

Now that the private sector has collasped, where is all this 'pay equality' gone? The unions dumped the private sector workers faster than you can say diddums.

Have you any evidence that PS workers are paid more than private sector workers in like jobs?

Could you provide some evidence that the unions have 'dumped' private sector workers?

Here's hoping the whole public sector go on strike. For three months. We'd save a fortune. Screw the people who'll die/get run over/burn in a fire. Tis more important these numpties get it through their heads that value for money is a concept that must be enforced. When we see the incompetents getting fired then we'll know the PS have finally gotten the most basic of principles of what having a job entails.

"When we see incompetents getting fired..." Like the incompetent banking executives you mean?

[miju]

Screw the people who'll die/get run over/burn in a fire. Tis more important these numpties get it through their heads that value for money is a concept that must be enforced.

Possibly one of the dumbest posts / points I've ever read on P.ie and theres been a fair few I've read here. It's all well and good coming out with a tripe like the above until your house is on fire and your son / daughter are trapped in a burning building god forbid.

Would you be happy for a direct family member to die in a burning building so public servants "get the point"??? Didn't think so.

Fire, Ambulance & Garda are ESSENTIAL services whether you like it or not. They should not be subjected to the pay cuts but more importantly they should not have had their resources / budgets cut as much as they have.

[bormotello]

Workers who want to be paid!

Question is only about amount to be paid

Have you any evidence that PS workers are paid more than private sector workers in like jobs?

Do you have any evidence about mass redundancies in public sector, where PS workers have been paid only two weeks per year?

"When we see incompetents getting fired..." Like the incompetent banking executives you mean?

Or their colleagues from public sector (financial regulator or central bank)?

[bormotello]

Fire, Ambulance & Garda are ESSENTIAL services whether you like it or not. They should not be subjected to the pay cuts but more importantly they should not have had their resources / budgets cut as much as they have.

BTW, it was PS union proposal to reduce incomes of public sector equally, not government

[miju]

BTW, it was PS union proposal to reduce incomes of public sector equally, not government

thats nothing to do with the point though. besides which the government didnt listen to any union proposals as is evident when they walked away from the table last year.

[dunno]

It doesn’t matter who will be in government – me or Lenihan
Until union leaders will not approve deal, it will be not completed. It means that 10% of population have exactly the same decision making power as remaining 90%, like aristocracy in middle ages.
Lenihan rejected unions offer to spread burden equally between low paid and high paid workers through equal number of unpaid days and unions are treating to put country on ransom

The PS have something of the character of Ancien Régime nobles. Docking a CO's pay isn't nice, but there so many, IT support staff in UCD, teaching staff in ITs, with lax and easy conditions of employment, always on a tea break.

[bayern]

We paid more and got Crap - The most overpaid and under worked Public Sector in Europe

Yeah real clever stuff, any facts to back up your nonsense or were you just reading the Sunday Independent lately.

[politicaldonations]

Yeah real clever stuff, any facts to back up your nonsense or were you just reading the Sunday Independent lately.

Have you any published facts on public sector productivity increasing over past decade ? Pay bill nearly tripled in that time, well ahead of inflation and theres zero evidence of increased productivity. Of course i cant say for certain that productivity hasnt increased its jsut th data is so poor as i beleive the unions wouldnt allow workers to be appraised and productivitty goals set for them . We need an independent body that publishes detailed stats on public sector expenditure and productivity and makes recomendation towards implmenting best international practise which most people know anaecdotally isnt the standard we have here in Ireland.

[Conor]

Have you any published facts on public sector productivity increasing over past decade ?

bayern didn't make any claims about public sector productivity.

[sparkey321]

Have you any evidence that PS workers are paid more than private sector workers in like jobs?

Could you provide some evidence that the unions have 'dumped' private sector workers?

HSE employed cleaners earn over €15 per hour. (give me a few hours and I will get you the exact figure)

Contract cleaners in hospitasl have a union rate over a little over €9 per hour (again give me a few hours and I will get you an exact figure)