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    Quote Originally Posted by toughbutfair View Post
    they can't even explain where the money will come from. I've challenged them so many times to explain how we can spend 25bn more than we make but all they say is we waste it on other things (banks etc) so wasting even more on them is okay.

    These fools should have no access to government.
    this socialist monster was created by bertie ahearn and he should have been the one to stab it in the heart while he had the chance. but unfortunatety, the franksenstein has grown too large. now the public service will stangle us unless we kill it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uriah View Post
    No. It's your opinion, the one you have formed based on media manipulation, inaccurate information, ignorance, lack of thought, prejudice, begrudgery etc.
    No
    It is your opinion have formed by inaccurate information, ignorance, lack of thought, prejudice, begrudgery

    Typical example
    Myth 3 : Quality Public Services - MYTH 3 - THERE’S TOO MUCH BUREAUCRACY

    There’s a myth gaining ground that new investment has been swallowed up by a growing and stagnant
    bureaucracy, especially in health. In truth, the vast majority of new investment is going into direct
    services to patients.

    The Government’s 2003 Brennan Report on health service management found that less than 6% of health service staff work in backroom administrative or management roles. Most health staff defined as
    ‘administrative’ work on direct patient services or directly assist doctors, nurses and other health
    professionals. Brennan also said: “10 out of every 11 additional employees recruited since 1997 are
    engaged in duties of direct service to patients and the public.”

    [COLOR="Red"]More recently, HSE chief executive Brendan Drumm said ‘back-of-house’ admin staff today account for just 3,300 (just over 3%)[/COLOR] of health service staff. And the small number of staff in ‘back-of-house’ jobs are delivering vital functions like finance, HR, IT, training, service management, legal services, supplies, information and management support. If they weren’t there, doctors, nurses and other front-line staff would have to do administrative tasks instead of treating patients. Services would grind to a halt.
    and official statement from HSE
    http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/FactFile...ployment09.pdf
    Management/ Administration 12,366 14,714 15,690 15,766 16,157 16,699 17,262 18,043 17,967 17,777
    Total 80,070 90,302 95,679 96,501 98,723 101,978 106,273 111,505 111,025 111,062

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Maybe if the HSE start charging market rate for hospital beds to private patients we could get Revenue up to €55 billion

    Apologies they are already trying that.........

    What crap.

    You do realise that private insurance provides an important revenue stream for hospitals ?

    You do realsie that if they didnt have private health insurance the hospitsl woudl still have to treat them but for free ?

    You do realise that people with private health insurance pay the same PRSI and taxes (probably more) as public patients and are entitled to the exact same level of cover ?


    Last time I was in Hospital (many moons ago) I was admitted through A&E. I had private insurance and went private to the consultant.

    I was in a 4 bed room. I was charged a daily rate for the room, charged for x-rays, ct scan and consultant.

    The guy in the bed beside me had the same consultant, had the same x-ray and CT scan. He was a public patient and got it all for free.

    Exact same service, exact same food, exact same room.

    He paid his taxes and was entitled to his health-care. But so did I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_bob View Post
    this is the union rhetoric which i find most offensive , that we the tax payers who agree with public sector pay cuts , are all media glove puppetts
    Quote Originally Posted by toughbutfair View Post
    they can't even explain where the money will come from. I've challenged them so many times to explain how we can spend 25bn more than we make but all they say is we waste it on other things (banks etc) so wasting even more on them is okay.

    These fools should have no access to government.
    More than one opinion against the PS is regarded as a conspiracy.. 3+ amounts to a “campaign of vilification"

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicaldonations View Post
    Call by fire fighters for all-out strike - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 12, 2010
    Disgracefull. The army probably wont cover any strike either. Lives will be lost through public sector greed.
    Just a question. How many people do you think will die in fires during the strikes and how many people will die due to the hatchet job that has been done on the health service?
    "Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
    - Terry Pratchett

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    These bully boys getting no support on Pat Kenny today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicaldonations View Post
    These bully boys getting no support on Pat Kenny today.
    Pat Kenny attacking low paid PS workers! Whatever next, Pope approves of Mass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Pat Kenny attacking low paid PS workers! Whatever next, Pope approves of Mass?
    From the texts he read out. Are you suggesting he picks the texts to suit his own bias? How would all the public sector workers working with him in RTE feel about that? Do you think they would allow it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey321 View Post
    What crap.

    You do realise that private insurance provides an important revenue stream for hospitals ?

    You do realsie that if they didnt have private health insurance the hospitsl woudl still have to treat them but for free ?

    You do realise that people with private health insurance pay the same PRSI and taxes (probably more) as public patients and are entitled to the exact same level of cover ?


    Last time I was in Hospital (many moons ago) I was admitted through A&E. I had private insurance and went private to the consultant.

    I was in a 4 bed room. I was charged a daily rate for the room, charged for x-rays, ct scan and consultant.

    The guy in the bed beside me had the same consultant, had the same x-ray and CT scan. He was a public patient and got it all for free.

    Exact same service, exact same food, exact same room.

    He paid his taxes and was entitled to his health-care. But so did I.
    Just saw your post now. That is why I had the - i was being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicaldonations View Post
    From the texts he read out. Are you suggesting he picks the texts to suit his own bias? How would all the public sector workers working with him in RTE feel about that? Do you think they would allow it?
    Absolutely.

    Pat is self employed.

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