Dr Zion snubs Oireachtas

[JSLeFanu]

ok, i feel like Jeremy Paxman now. The Irish Dept of Foreign Affairs ( maybe you think they are stooges of the Dubai police) are convinced based on evidence presented to them that fake Irish passports were used in this dastardly murder. Do you accept this? and if so what do you think of this use of fake Irish passports by these murders( lets not say they are Israeli for the moment, one step at a time)? So the question is, do you support the use of Irish passports by these unknown killers? its yes or no time.

I'll actually go further. Ireland has both a right and a responsibility to excercise the tightest of control over Irish passports. When it both excercises that right and steps up to that responsibility it earns the right to express indignation at any abuses.

That is NOT the case though. Irish passport control, the issuing of them, the control, trace and nullification of lost and/or stolen passports is virtually entirely absent. There are thousands of unaccounted for Irish passports. And that's ignoring our national habit of selling them, can you believe it, selling them to Arabs.

When we as a nation afford this issue the gravitas it deserves then we can go thumping tables in Tel Aviv, or wherever the hell we like. In the meantime forgive those of us who find our current posturing laughable. We don't take our own passport control seriously but we demand others do? Seriously, do me, and yourself, a favour and direct your indignation where it belongs.

For the record I don't give a damn about the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs or what it thinks and neither should you. Those cowardly bastards were one of the few EU DFAs to show a locked door to injured and terrified Iranian students last June in Tehran. Shame on us, shame on us. We were also one of the few, so called, western nations who didn't walk out during Ahmadinejads rants at the UN, even, heaven help us, Lebanon walked out.

Ireland is the Arabs stooge in the EU and it would take little, ie nothing, to persuade our Minister of Foreign Affairs to go and rant about the Jews. I presume Michael Martins ears were ringing with praise after his meeting with the leader of the Arab league in Egypt last week.

Remember this is the land which shut it's door in the face of the Jews in the 30s and 40s. To rub salt in we then sent our condolences to the Third Reich on the death of Herr Hitler and then erected a monument to the memory of a Nazi fellow traveler.

Ireland was on the wrong side of history then and in our courting and sycophantic efforts to suck up to some of the most disguisting dictators and despots in the Middle East we're going to be on the wrong side of history again. The only thing we've got going for us is that we're so insignificant there's always a chance we won't be noticed.

Passport control, I'm all for it, now wake me up when our government starts walking the talk.

[JSLeFanu]

The BNP would be more your cup of tea LeFanu, they support the Israelis too. Where are you from by the way?

BNP leader Nick Griffin, friend of Israel? | The Jewish Chronicle

How dare you call into question my loyalties. This is an old tactic of anti Semites (and there's been plenty such aspersions cast already recently on these boards), smear anyone who refuses to join in on the collective demonisation of the Jews.

[pinemartin]

I'll actually go further. Ireland has both a right and a responsibility to excercise the tightest of control over Irish passports. When it both excercises that right and steps up to that responsibility it earns the right to express indignation at any abuses.

That is NOT the case though. Irish passport control, the issuing of them, the control, trace and nullification of lost and/or stolen passports is virtually entirely absent. There are thousands of unaccounted for Irish passports. And that's ignoring our national habit of selling them, can you believe it, selling them to Arabs.

When we as a nation afford this issue the gravitas it deserves then we can go thumping tables in Tel Aviv, or wherever the hell we like. In the meantime forgive those of us who find our current posturing laughable. We don't take our own passport control seriously but we demand others do? Seriously, do me, and yourself, a favour and direct your indignation where it belongs.

For the record I don't give a damn about the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs or what it thinks and neither should you. Those cowardly bastards were one of the few EU DFAs to show a locked door to injured and terrified Iranian students last June in Tehran. Shame on us, shame on us. We were also one of the few, so called, western nations who didn't walk out during Ahmadinejads rants at the UN, even, heaven help us, Lebanon walked out.

Ireland is the Arabs stooge in the EU and it would take little, ie nothing, to persuade our Minister of Foreign Affairs to go and rant about the Jews. I presume Michael Martins ears were ringing with praise after his meeting with the leader of the Arab league in Egypt last week.

Remember this is the land which shut it's door in the face of the Jews in the 30s and 40s. To rub salt in we then sent our condolences to the Third Reich on the death of Herr Hitler and then erected a monument to the memory of a Nazi fellow traveler.

Ireland was on the wrong side of history then and in our courting and sycophantic efforts to suck up to some of the most disguisting dictators and despots in the Middle East we're going to be on the wrong side of history again. The only thing we've got going for us is that we're so insignificant there's always a chance we won't be noticed.

Passport control, I'm all for it, now wake me up when our government starts walking the talk.

So you got the rant out of the way, well done deep breath. last time now, what do you think of the use of fake irish passports to murder this man?

[Raketemensch]

Isn't it time we expelled the Saudi ambassador?

Absolutely. The Saudi govt are a bunch of gangsters and human rights violators. Like the Israelis.

[pinemartin]

How dare you call into question my loyalties. This is an old tactic of anti Semites (and there's been plenty such aspersions cast already recently on these boards), smear anyone who refuses to join in on the collective demonisation of the Jews.

I never questioned your loyalties( loyalties to what?), where is evidence to suggest that I did? I just wondered where you were from, Ill tell you if you tell me.

[Raketemensch]

So you got the rant out of the way, well done deep breath. last time now, what do you think of the use of fake irish passports to murder this man?

And why did they pick on us? Why our passports?

[pinemartin]

And why did they pick on us? Why our passports?

ask lefanu, he seems to be the expert.

[JSLeFanu]

I never questioned your loyalties( loyalties to what?), where is evidence to suggest that I did? I just wondered where you were from, Ill tell you if you tell me.

Where I'm from is irrelevant to what I have to say.

[pinemartin]

Where I'm from is irrelevant to what I have to say.

thats true, you just remind me of someone I used to know, I thought that you might be him. so why dont you answer the question. you can say you dont want to if you like.

[HaHa_U_Fools]

Where I'm from is irrelevant to what I have to say.

Says who?