Property Developers .

[Eurocitizen]

My point was not in support of property developers my point was that not all developers are bad and not all are bankrupt , it is unfair to tag them all with the same label .

There was developers who went crazy and there was developers who kept a level head and gave employment and paid their tax , they contributed to the Irish economy and the good guy do not deserve the critism .

I just wish to point out that it is totally unfair to brand all the big developers as corrupt and also to brand them all evil .

There are actually developers out there who are not in trouble and are still giving jobs and improving the cities .

I would ask you to read the op I never gave support to all developers I just feel it is wrong to label them all .

[Eurocitizen]

[QUOTE=rockofcashel;2507559]Danman.. while I believe that you are genuine, that is a ridiculous post, and is indicative of the mindset of the likes of Eurocitizan who either simply cannot see what the problem is, or how it was caused.


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[rockofcashel]

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Danman.. while I believe that you are genuine, that is a ridiculous post, and is indicative of the mindset of the likes of Eurocitizan who either simply cannot see what the problem is, or how it was caused.


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I really don't have a lot of time for smart aleckry like that Eurocitizan. Sinn Féin never gave the construction industry lots of work rebuilding, but I suppose all I've started now is the perennial stupid argument of whether Sinn Féin and the IRA are one and the same.

As regards the thread and your opening post. Yes, there are good developers. There are good and bad businessmen in every industry.

But, are you going to start a thread about good shopkeepers ? Good vets ? Good butchers ? Are they any less deserving of a thread on here ?

Why did you feel the need to acknowledge good developers ?

And why did you in other posts feel the need to emphasise that some FG members/supporters were developers too (which they were by the way)

The problem that property developers have, is that they were a part of an industry which carried on in such a fashion for almost a decade, that they have almost brought the country to bankruptcy. In reality, we actually are bankrupt.

And, instead of acting responsibly, in the main, they just fell over themselves calling for more tax breaks, more tax schemes, more idiotic planning changes, more removals of restrictions on planning laws etc etc etc....

And none of them shouted stop.

And the political classes went along with them, right from town council and county council level, right up to the Taoiseach of this country, a man I believe to have been fundamentally corrupt might I add, and one of the main reasons I didn't ever bother sending your party an application form.

So, given that is the case... please don't bother with crocodile tears for the "poor developers"... too many of them were happy to go along with the fundamental corruption of the Irish economy, both in the last ten years and for the next 25/30

And lose the SF/IRA jokes... There must really be some sort of "Godwins Law" equivalent of that by now

[Pauli]

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I really don't have a lot of time for smart aleckry like that Eurocitizan. Sinn Féin never gave the construction industry lots of work rebuilding, but I suppose all I've started now is the perennial stupid argument of whether Sinn Féin and the IRA are one and the same.

As regards the thread and your opening post. Yes, there are good developers. There are good and bad businessmen in every industry.

But, are you going to start a thread about good shopkeepers ? Good vets ? Good butchers ? Are they any less deserving of a thread on here ?

Why did you feel the need to acknowledge good developers ?

And why did you in other posts feel the need to emphasise that some FG members/supporters were developers too (which they were by the way)

The problem that property developers have, is that they were a part of an industry which carried on in such a fashion for almost a decade, that they have almost brought the country to bankruptcy. In reality, we actually are bankrupt.

And, instead of acting responsibly, in the main, they just fell over themselves calling for more tax breaks, more tax schemes, more idiotic planning changes, more removals of restrictions on planning laws etc etc etc....

And none of them shouted stop.

And the political classes went along with them, right from town council and county council level, right up to the Taoiseach of this country, a man I believe to have been fundamentally corrupt might I add, and one of the main reasons I didn't ever bother sending your party an application form.

So, given that is the case... please don't bother with crocodile tears for the "poor developers"... too many of them were happy to go along with the fundamental corruption of the Irish economy, both in the last ten years and for the next 25/30

And lose the SF/IRA jokes... There must really be some sort of "Godwins Law" equivalent of that by now

One could start referring to Fianna Fail/CIF as associated entities since FF are basically the political wing of the Construction Industry Federation which many would now regard as a subversive organisation, give the way they have subverted the Irish economy since 1997.

[oceanclub]

I'll tell you one thing; up until the last election, I was an "anyone but the Shinners" man. I always went down the whole of the ballet paper, ensuring that I put the Shinner in last place, which usually meant the Fianna Failers getting my second last preferences.

Last election, I put FF last. Now that the IRA have put their arms away, Cowen and company are the most clear and present danger to this country.

P.

[Eurocitizen]

I'll tell you one thing; up until the last election, I was an "anyone but the Shinners" man. I always went down the whole of the ballet paper, ensuring that I put the Shinner in last place, which usually meant the Fianna Failers getting my second last preferences.

Last election, I put FF last. Now that the IRA have put their arms away, Cowen and company are the most clear and present danger to this country.

P.

As rock just pointed out SF and the IRA are not connected so you could have voted for SF for all those years .

[Sailor]

Bottom line EC is that for such an obvious FFer such as yourself to post a thread such as this, you were always going to get nothing but scorn and accusations of trolling thrown back at you in return. This is a debate that you can't possibly win in the present climate because even if you are right, the anti-FF and anti developer sentiment is so high in Ireland and on this site in particular that you will only get shouted down and called a troll.

And you are obviously a Labour supporter - so do you expect the same level of abuse thrown in your direction? It's not as if your party has contributed a whole lot to the development of modern Ireland and, indeed, your fellow travellers in the Public Service unions are, as we speak, doing plenty of damage to the country with their hissy fit over being reminded in the last budget that they don't run the country after all.

[rockofcashel]

As rock just pointed out SF and the IRA are not connected so you could have voted for SF for all those years .

This is not a discussion about whether SF and the IRA are one and the same entity. If any poster wishes to discuss that argument, do so on a new thread.

Any posts to that effect from here on in, on this thread will be deleted.

This thread is discussing property developers.

[rockofcashel]

And you are obviously a Labour supporter - so do you expect the same level of abuse thrown in your direction? It's not as if your party has contributed a whole lot to the development of modern Ireland and, indeed, your fellow travellers in the Public Service unions are, as we speak, doing plenty of damage to the country with their hissy fit over being reminded in the last budget that they don't run the country after all.

This is an example of posts that I will be deleting as part of my moderation.

The thread is a discussion on the role of property developers in Ireland. No mention of the thread subject matter has been made, and the poster seems more interested in discussing public service workers than property developers.

[Eurocitizen]

This is not a discussion about whether SF and the IRA are one and the same entity. If any poster wishes to discuss that argument, do so on a new thread.

Any posts to that effect from here on in, on this thread will be deleted.

This thread is discussing property developers.

I agree .