Point of pride: Irish far right is insignificant.

[damon]

What I mean Chi019 is, that I don't see much point about raising that subject on a forum like Politics ie.

It will just end up with endless back and forth without ever getting any place.
I'm never going to accept ideas that ''blacks are inferior'' or such talk, and I really can't be bothered with such a conversation.
Particularly when it gets into talk about immigration.

As for the Chinese being so smart. I just spent some time in Malaysia, and it's not intelligence that marks out the different communities (as far as I could tell) - but much more likely to be cultural, historical and economic factors.
But that wasn't a scientific study or anything, but just from a person travelling around the country.

[macdarawhitfield]

More to do that they were 'parachuted' in by the then colonial power to provide a seperate administrative class, without having to take the dangerous step of educating the locals.

Yes indeed.And why would said locals want to be educated in opressing their own people?


Malaysia being a very good case in point.Dominated by Chinese and Tamils after the British had smashed the Malay resistance.

Actually,Ireland is a case not too far removed.All over the Pacific Rim and parts of Africa there are minorities in trouble - mostly planted by Britain,France,Portugal and Holland.

[FutureTaoiseach]

It really is paranoid nonsense to equate immigration-control with being "Far Right". Honestly - do the Left seriously believe that the 80% who supported the Citizenship referendum were fascist?

[sondagefaux]

It really is paranoid nonsense to equate immigration-control with being "Far Right". Honestly - do the Left seriously believe that the 80% who supported the Citizenship referendum were fascist?

Do you honestly believe that the EU is the Fourth Reich?

[Catalpa]

Do you honestly believe that the EU is the Fourth Reich?

It is based on the Holy Roman Empire which was the 1st Reich.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Do you honestly believe that the EU is the Fourth Reich?

That remains to be seen. In 2010 it increasingly resembles the Soviet Union, with unelected Commissars/Commissioners and the suppression of dissent in France and the Netherlands, and being made to vote again until you give 'the right answer'. The demonisation of its critics as 'fascist/xenophobic' striongly resembles the tendency of the USSR to label its critics and dissidents as 'fascists' e.g. in the trials of Zinoviev, Kamenev etc. as 'agents of the German-Polish Fascists'; in the Show-Trials of the 1930's. Also, Daniel Hannan's blog reported on abortive plans - only narrowly rejected - to establish a 'Committee for Un-European Activities' to investigate the Irish no campaign. Whatever it is, it is not a democracy.

[sondagefaux]

That remains to be seen. In 2010 it increasingly resembles the Soviet Union, with unelected Commissars/Commissioners

Unelected Commissioners?

Commissioners are nominated by the democratically chosen governments of the EU countries and must be approved by the European Parliament in a vote (also known as an election) after public hearings.

If the European Parliament votes against even one nominee to the Commission the entire Commission is rejected.

Rumania Jeleva, the original Bulgarian nominee, withdrew after it became obvious that she was going to be rejected by the European Parliament.

Does that even vaguely resemble how things were done in the Soviet Union?

the suppression of dissent in France and the Netherlands

What are you babbling on about? Has Geert Wilders party been supressed? Have opponents of the EU in France or the Netherlands been supressed? Have they been sent to gulags? Into internal exile?

being made to vote again until you give 'the right answer'.

Nobody forced you to vote in the second referendum. You could have boycotted it.

The Irish government didn't ratify the Lisbon Treaty after the first referendum because it didn't have permission.

Leaders on the No side didn't say that was the end of the matter. They demanded that the Irish government go and negotiate a new deal with the other EU countries and put that deal to the people.

The government went out and got a new deal from the rest of the EU countries (retention of Commissioner - meeting at least one of the No side's conditions) and put the new deal to the Irish people.

The fact that you still thought the new deal wasn't good enough and should have been rejected doesn't make the second referendum undemocratic.

[Chi019]

Originally Posted by Damon

What I mean Chi019 is, that I don't see much point about raising that subject on a forum like Politics ie.

You mention immigration, but obviously that has implications too. Say if you lived in a country like Japan where the government is trying to figure out what to do about the rock bottom birth rate. Someone notes that there are millions of people in the Africa with rather large families, so just invite them in. Of course, this idea presupposes that populations are interchangeable, and if they are, maybe it will all work out. But what if they're not? What if the average black-asian performance gap is as much a function of nature as it is of nurture? We know that population iq is linked to a number of socio-economic outcomes.

'The impact of smart fractions, cognitive ability of politicians and average competence of peoples on social development' Rindermann et al Talent Development & Excellence Vol. 1, No. 1, 2009, 3-25

http://www.iratde.org/issues/1-2009/...mann_et_al.pdf

What would become of Japan if it became half-African over the course of the next 100 years? Would it go the way of Zimbabwe or South Africa?

You probably find these statements reprehensible. But the fact that you find them reprehensible doesn't mean that they don't reflect real possibilities.

[FutureTaoiseach]

If the European Parliament votes against even one nominee to the Commission the entire Commission is rejected.

The full EP don't vote on individual Commissioners. It's a take it or leave-it vote on the entire Commission.

The government went out and got a new deal from the rest of the EU countries (retention of Commissioner - meeting at least one of the No side's conditions) and put the new deal to the Irish people.

Not a syllable in the Treaty was changed. The retention of the Commissioner is not guaranteed beyond 2014. The McKenna and Coughlan judgements were brazenly violated rendering the campaign unconstitutional because of the end of 50:50 airtime and using EP party-funds to subvert the requirement of McKenna that taxpayers' money not be used to favour one side over another.

What are you babbling on about? Has Geert Wilders party been supressed? Have opponents of the EU in France or the Netherlands been supressed? Have they been sent to gulags? Into internal exile?

The French and Dutch no votes were not respected. They renamed the EU Constitution the Lisbon Treaty and rammed it through their parliaments.

[sondagefaux]

The full EP don't vote on individual Commissioners. It's a take it or leave-it vote on the entire Commission.

That's what I said. It has the same effect in practice though. And is democratic.

Not a syllable in the Treaty was changed.

So what? Every country got to keep its Commissioner. That was a new deal and the people approved it.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it undemocratic.