No chainsaws after 5.00pm..victim fights for life

[Baron von Biffo]

"That incident saw the person out of the car in 17 minutes."

So much for all the hysterical hype whipped up at the time.

[Murra]

We need legislation to roll back all this lunacy immediately. It is no longer just a joke. It is serious.

H&S legislations and its enforcement for everyday tasks are completely disproportionate to the true level of risk and hazard. H&S legislation will strangle this country to death.

Health and Safety is a very serious issue. Frontline paramedics are at serious risk, legally, should anything go wrong.

The good news is that Civil Liability legislation, often referred to as the Good Samaritan clause, is being discussed. Apologies, I am unable to find a link as yet (and its late!) but will post it when I get it.

This would mean that anybody who acts in good faith to save a person's life, even if the person dies as a result of it, is not held legally responsible for that person's death.

[cry freedom]

"That incident saw the person out of the car in 17 minutes."

So much for all the hysterical hype whipped up at the time.

Ah shure, thats grand then!
Nobody was killed so this nonsense can continue.
It seems now that a chainsaw is no longer to be considered safe for use by public service pussies, even in an emergency.
With defenders of the indefensible like Biffo et al, they can carry on assured that whatever ludicrous practices the dream up they will have some level of support out there, among the constipated advocates of more and more money for less and less service.

[fiannafailure]

"That incident saw the person out of the car in 17 minutes."

So much for all the hysterical hype whipped up at the time.

Your comment takes nothing away from the disgraceful response of the official

[Baron von Biffo]

Your comment takes nothing away from the disgraceful response of the official

"The issue of saws has been debated a lot and it is an issue of safety. They present a lot of problems. Often there is energy caught up in the trees and where a casualty is involved there is no guarantee this will make the situation better."

The words of the expert.

[cry freedom]

"The issue of saws has been debated a lot and it is an issue of safety. They present a lot of problems. Often there is energy caught up in the trees and where a casualty is involved there is no guarantee this will make the situation better."

The words of the expert.

An expert in what?
At a guess I would say breastfeeding a shovel !

[fiannafailure]

"The issue of saws has been debated a lot and it is an issue of safety. They present a lot of problems. Often there is energy caught up in the trees and where a casualty is involved there is no guarantee this will make the situation better."

The words of the expert.

Baron

The expert also talked quite a lot about the economics of his decision, I believe that I may know a little about energy, whether electrical or potential and I believe that this is a strawman, the economics are a better argument, but then why waste money training people to use chainsaws when there are personnel already trained and working for the same authority.

[Baron von Biffo]

Baron

The expert also talked quite a lot about the economics of his decision, I believe that I may know a little about energy, whether electrical or potential and I believe that this is a strawman, the economics are a better argument, but then why waste money training people to use chainsaws when there are personnel already trained and working for the same authority.

Do you have a link to comments by Mr. Murphy on the economics of the matter? In the referenced article I can only find a statement of the cost not "quite a lot about the economics."

Mr. Murphy also said, "Speaking from experience I have never been in favour of using them and I am aware that some counties are in fact trying to phase them out. Having made clear my opinion on this I could not support their use."

Clearly if they are phasing them out, they must have already incurred the costs associated with introducing them so the argument for getting rid of them isn't economic.

His comments indicate to me that chainsaws are not a good idea in this type of situation. Since he's a chief fire officer and you're someone I know nothing about posting on a website, I'm going to go with his analysis.

[evercloserunion]

Do you have a link to comments by Mr. Murphy on the economics of the matter? In the referenced article I can only find a statement of the cost not "quite a lot about the economics."

Mr. Murphy also said, "Speaking from experience I have never been in favour of using them and I am aware that some counties are in fact trying to phase them out. Having made clear my opinion on this I could not support their use."

Clearly if they are phasing them out, they must have already incurred the costs associated with introducing them so the argument for getting rid of them isn't economic.

His comments indicate to me that chainsaws are not a good idea in this type of situation. Since he's a chief fire officer and you're someone I know nothing about posting on a website, I'm going to go with his analysis.

But... public sector... trade union...

[cry freedom]

Do you have a link to comments by Mr. Murphy on the economics of the matter? In the referenced article I can only find a statement of the cost not "quite a lot about the economics."

Mr. Murphy also said, "Speaking from experience I have never been in favour of using them and I am aware that some counties are in fact trying to phase them out. Having made clear my opinion on this I could not support their use."

Clearly if they are phasing them out, they must have already incurred the costs associated with introducing them so the argument for getting rid of them isn't economic.

His comments indicate to me that chainsaws are not a good idea in this type of situation. Since he's a chief fire officer and you're someone I know nothing about posting on a website, I'm going to go with his analysis.

So the next time a big tree falls on top of a car the county council will attack it with....... what?