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    Quote Originally Posted by harvey View Post
    The cover-up part II.

    The Archbishop of Dublin was all over the media today whilst other organisations have conveniently kept their heads well below the parapet. The irony is that the Church not only the defender of the Faith, but of secularism too.
    Where was the Commissioner?? I had hoped he would have been on Primetime, but no show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_1975 View Post
    It is impossible to have this conversation without devoting a sizible portion of it to the church. It's like trying to dicuss Germany in the 30's and 40's without mentioning the Nazis.
    Yes but when you focus on the 'cartoon characters' you miss out on the ordinary folks , who made it all possible .

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    Well, I guess we'll truly see the reality if (paraphrasing) "a paedophile can't hide behind a collar" does come true.

    Personally, I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

    I think the Minister was being very disingenuous, it should have been along the lines of "no paedophile citizen of this State can hide behind any collar, uniform (that covers police, politicians, etc) or privilege".

    The absence of anyone other then Church, Victims and Interesting Groups is more revealing than anything else. A State admit culpability - surely not?! Sure that would open the flood-gates for claims (but sure didn't we do that anyway with that secret dirty deal for the Citizen taxpayer to bear).

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    It was alway's possible what you mean to say is people who failed to make it impossible I presume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garland Names the Planets View Post
    It was alway's possible what you mean to say is people who failed to make it impossible I presume?
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewiegriffin View Post
    Exactly!
    And is this thread an attempt to help in these efforts or an attempt to spread the blame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garland Names the Planets View Post
    And is this thread an attempt to help in these efforts or an attempt to spread the blame?
    Spread blame . No one is innocent .

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    It's dreadful to think of Garda putting the priests before the kids. I also find it very hard to come to terms with parents of the children involved going directly to the bishop and not the authorities, because they thought they were being good catholics. I could have some understanding for people in the 50's and 60's as people were much more gullible back then and they held a lot of misguided faith in their church. If I found a man in bed with my child, I wouldn't be giving him a water bottle when he said he was cold. I'd be kicking him up and down the street.

    Today just adds another layer to the corruption in this country. The clergy, the Garda, the government, people in positions of power, conniving and colluding with each other to keep the status quo. And some members of the public do their best to help them, because 'he's the parish priest, a very important man' or 'sure hasn't she got that pot hole filled in front of the house' or ' if I give him a free meal he'll turn a blind eye to me having a couple of pints and driving the car home'. People are all indignant, but then they need a reference for a job, or planning permission, or a fine cancelled and all integrity goes out the window. The corruption goes round and round and round, and it all comes down to people choosing their own skins and their own comforts/deviances over any concern for their fellow man.

    Something drastic needs to happen in respect of the governing of this country,and unless the general public change their mentality and stop acting like their living in some kind of feudal system, in deference to their lords, unless they start behaving like they're in a modern and progressive society where people's rights are protected and nurtured, then I think we will learn nothing from the report published today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewiegriffin View Post
    Spread blame . No one is innocent .
    So why don't you get busy spreading it. You complained about the lack of threads involving other actors involved. I think you have the same thread starting ability as anyone else last time I checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewiegriffin View Post
    My contention would be that the 'gards' and politicians were as complicit as the priests .Im not accusing them of negligence , I am accusing them of conspiracy . There are threads discussing priests 'deviancy' , why are there no threads discussing anyone elses 'perversions' ?
    This issue exposes the rotten nature of the 26C state in every aspect of it's administration. There are equivalent wrongs being perpetrated against the people, in front of their very eyes to this day. It will always be so unless they wake up.

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