Siptu Claims "Civil War" Between Ordinary Workers And High Earners !!!

[real kiltubrid man]

So you are paying one sixth in taxes. That sounds very favourable to me. Can the rest get that tax deal too?

overall out look yes about 1/6 is taxes, and i also pointed out that doesnt include vat, which an amount of is re claimable, which could bring that back to 1/4 of all my gross turnover ends up with revenue, and if shrude enough ,you can negociate a deal with revenue, and say well i owe you x will you accept y as a full and final payment for this year, sometimes it works other times it doesnt, but when in business on a meduim scale like me ,you need to be able to bargan with everyone.

[real kiltubrid man]

You mean you couldn't do it all yourself?

yes kevin your up again ,hows the sick going ,did you drop in your cert this week!

[real kiltubrid man]

if you add in the pension that we pay to PS workers who retire at 50 and bleed us white for the next 30 years .

more like 20 Billion net

yes ,and about another €6,000,000,000.00 on top of that ,and they want more, here is a good one that will spark debate, the ps claim to swallow up ONLY1/3 of the countries tax take every year in wages and pensions, well get this, we will be lucky to hit €30,000,000,000.00 in revenues this year, and the ps take €26,000,000,000.00 seems like a bit more than a third, and these are the idiots who want us in the private sector to borrow for another 7 years to fund this corruption, its plain to see this is fraud,and theft ,which are serious offences against the state, it would have the same principal as me walking in to a bank woth a gun and a bag ,demanding it be filled with money.

and can someone tell me why is o connor, begg,mc cloone and the rest of these idiots allowed to walk free to day ,no charges atall yet?

[hopi watcher]

overall out look yes about 1/6 is taxes, and i also pointed out that doesnt include vat, which an amount of is re claimable, which could bring that back to 1/4 of all my gross turnover ends up with revenue, and if shrude enough ,you can negociate a deal with revenue, and say well i owe you x will you accept y as a full and final payment for this year, sometimes it works other times it doesnt, but when in business on a meduim scale like me ,you need to be able to bargan with everyone.

Greed merchants unite!!!

[real kiltubrid man]

no point in arguing such things with red giant , communists speak an entirely different language when it comes to economics

thanks irish bob i gathered that when someone tells you that ps workers pay more taxes into the exchequer than the private sector, kind makes you get that feeling of laughter and then a result of wet undergarmends as a result of the laughter ,following splitting of sides, really does show some peoples intelligence tho doesnt it

[Kevin Doyle]

thanks irish bob i gathered that when someone tells you that ps workers pay more taxes into the exchequer than the private sector, kind makes you get that feeling of laughter and then a result of wet undergarmends as a result of the laughter ,following splitting of sides, really does show some peoples intelligence tho doesnt it

Is english your first language?

[irish_bob]

thanks irish bob i gathered that when someone tells you that ps workers pay more taxes into the exchequer than the private sector, kind makes you get that feeling of laughter and then a result of wet undergarmends as a result of the laughter ,following splitting of sides, really does show some peoples intelligence tho doesnt it

what taxes they pay is not really relevant , the problem is what they are paid , boom time wages cannot be maintained in rescessionary times , its that simple , income tax will have to go up in the years to come , mainly at the lower ends but the priority now is cutting expendeture , a 6% cut in ps wages this year will in reality not be a cut at all when you factor in deflation , they were not paying enough towards thier pensions anyhow although thier should have been no pension levy for those earning under 30 k as they dont really gain that much when it comes to pensions in comparison to the private sector , its further up the wage ladder that the ps pension benefits really stand out , for example , in order for a private sector worker to build up a pension which is equal to what a guard recieves upon retirement , the private sector worker would have to set aside 48% of thier income each year , most in the private sector wouldnt be able to buy food with that kind of pension commitment

[Kevin Doyle]

a 6% cut in ps wages this year will in reality not be a cut at all when you factor in deflation ,

You can raise taxes by 6% across the board using that argument. How much revenue will that generate?

[fionnmccool]

The government and the employers have been involved in a very smart strategy to drive down wages and conditions. Companies used the recession to drive job losses and pay cuts in the private sector. These job losses and pay cuts are then used to attack the public sector, an attack which if successful will be used as an excuse to further attack pay and conditions in the private sector.

This strategy is not being made up as they go along - it is a well worn strategy - the similarities between the current policies of the government and the employers and the situation in Ireland in the 1920's is incredible. Back then the same moves were made first against the private sector, then by attacking the public sector and then back on the attack against private sector workers and at the same time the government did the bidding of employers by keeping tax on profits and wealth low and forcing working class people to pay for the crisis. Even the arguments were the same - back in 1923 Eoin MacNeill, then Minister for Eduation, attacked teachers because he claimed that they were earning too much in comparison with other countries and blamed the British for landing the Irish exchequer with a pension system that was too expensive.

The problem is that the strategy of Cosgrave's government in the 1920's (coupled with the policies of DeValera in the 1930's) did so much damage to the Irish economy that it didn't recover until the 1960's.

What I dont get about what you said is... If the ''elites'' were planning and premeditating to reduce pay and conditions of public sector workers all along then why did they overpay them for the last decade ? Why have they bent over backwards to increase pay, conditions and bow to the unions for the last 15 years ? Theres no conspiracy theory here. The country is bankrupt. The employer of the public service is bankrupt. If your employer is bankrupt then you either lose your job or you take a pay cut. Thats the reality. What bothers me is the excessive wages we pay for incompetency at the top but public servants being a protected sector of our society is bullsh1t. All men are equal in my view. If you work then you deserve the respect and dignity of being treated equally. All workers are equal. Its only when they see themselves as such that the idiots in charge who vastly overpay themselves can be tackled. The 100s of thousands of people from the private sector joining the dole queues have no time for the prissy princess bullsh1t coming from the protected public sector.