Jack O Connor on Radio 1 now

[Proposition Joe]

the price of a few pints in tax relief does not matter in the scheme of things.

Not individually. But multiply it out accross what, half a million union members? Comes to a tidy sum.

Back of an envelope ... 70 notes tax relief per member, comes to about 35 million. A non-trivial chunk of change, wouldn't you say? T'would keep 1000 SNAs in a job.

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Not individually. But multiply it out accross what, half a million union members? Comes to a tidy sum.

Back of an envelope ... 70 notes tax relief per member, comes to about 35 million. A non-trivial chunk of change, wouldn't you say? T'would keep 1000 SNAs in a job.

Fair point, many tax reliefs need to go, I see no particular reason to save this one.

[sharper]

You are not reading what I said, I said it excludes health, the fact that it states it excluded it does not explain why or make up for the exclusion. Excluding health is a nonsense, we wont be excluded from the cuts made on the basis of such reports.

The reason for the exclusion is in the report!

The employment details for this sector are obtained from the quantity census conducted by the Health Service Executive and are recorded on a full-time equivalent basis. Earnings information is not available at present. From March 2007 certain grades, categories and subsumed agencies are included. A direct comparison with previous data is not possible.

So I suggest talking to the HSE, not the CSO about the lack of HSE earnings in the report.

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Haven't you heard? AIB is de facto public sector already. Say hi to your new colleagues, guys. They're the fellas in pinstripe carrying large bags marked "SWAG".

they are also the ones getting a pay rise this year, I am delighted for them.

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The reason for the exclusion is in the report!


So I suggest talking to the HSE, not the CSO about the lack of HSE earnings in the report.

I read that, what a total load of rubbish. If they dont know how much we are paid or how many of us there are how can they say there are too many or that we are paid too much?


Of course the figures are available, they are just not available to plebs.

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Of course the figures are available, they are just not available to plebs.

So you're saying the CSO actually has the HSE figures? You'd think the HSE would have something to say about that then wouldn't you?

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"The earnings index is designed to measure the quarterly trend in average weekly earnings. It [COLOR=Red]excludes the effect of changes in employment composition[/COLOR] implicitly reflected in the corresponding [COLOR=Red]absolute average earnings [/COLOR]estimates."


in other words if you have more lower paid staff because older ones have retired they will get rid of that with stats. Its not an average where you divide the total by the number working there.

I would like to see the median and the absolute average figure, why do I suspect they have dropped even before the levy?

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So you're saying the CSO actually has the HSE figures? You'd think the HSE would have something to say about that then wouldn't you?

Mary Harney wants to slash the HSE and public system in half for god sake.
Are you actually contenting that there are no figures on how many nurses are in the HSE and what they are paid? How well people trot out figures about the health system all the time then?

[turdsl]

fully agree , o, connor and his colleagues at the head of the unions have done a masterfull job this past few months in potraying the public sector as being the biggest victims of this rescession despite overwhelming evidence to the contary , thier propoganda skills are a sight to behold , goebells wouldnt have ******************** on any of em

Anyone who will not join a union or pay their subscriptions is it any wonder they are left behind.

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what was the pay bill in the HSE, how many staff are there?
Divide one by the other, there's your answer.
Get the same figure for 2008 and 2009 and you have a comparison.

The hse seems to know on a weekly basis what WTE figure it has employed.

If you look at the raw data it is also clear that many of the figures in june 09 are lower than march 09, multiple that by four and you have what the annual rate of decline was for 2009. It will be higher than that by next summer.

For example from 941.09 to 931.46 in the Civil Service in three months, excluding levies.