Originally Posted by X-ray
it was an example, your toes will get burned with the posts your writing, you are all for the ps and the unions ,but you let on to be for the private sector aswell, which are you?
examples also go by shooting your self in the foot,or walking into a brick wall, but you can never be or do both, so dont take offence to the paramilitary thing ,its a country way of using a phrase/example.
Why do you think it is one or the other?
Seriously, there are very few familes that are not a bit of both. My house is private sector, my avc pension is, a family member has been made redundant twice and is now emigrating. Why would I want to hurt anyone because they dont work for the state? I could not give a hoot who anyone works for, i spent years working for private companies.
i want to see a fair and effective way of saving this country from disaster. simple irish daily mail smash the unions and cut ps pay by 30% are just nonsense, they will result in chaos and huge political upheaval. we need an agreed and controlled reductions in costs in as fast, as safe and as fair a way as possible. ideally it should all happen together and up front so that once it is done we can move on and plan for the future, years and years or rolling cuts, fighting, sniping, propanganda and strikes is not going to help. I have not the remostest intention of supporting some bullyboy forced solution to this that is prescibed by the geniuses that got us here.
you dont have to agree with me, but you dont get to tell me what side to take or what to think. I dont think there is a "PS" solution, I think there is an Irish solution.
yip and the only solution is to p45 325,000 ps workers, and leave the other 50,000 on €8.65 per hour gross salary with a standard 55 hour working week and no overtime, or time and half, and no allowances, or travel ,or credit cards, these are all boom perks,. get over it the boom finished up 2.5 years ago.
I agree with it, now how do we get the ball rolling?
1. Cull the HSE admin staff by 20%
2. Close the defined benefit pensions or require payment of full market price for a it.
3. Increase any PS working weak contracts that are 35 hours to the standard 37 hour contract.
4. Remove the upward rent only law and allow it apply retrospectively.
5. Renegotiate professional contracts e.g. dentists, lawyers, consultant framework agreements
any other ideas?
Oh yeah I almost forgot the PS pension cannot be purchased on the market but I am sure some proxy can be calculated for the costs.
Hi all,
This is my first post on this forum and I have to ask a question? do public sector employees give away the first three days when they go sick or are do they all get sick pay, do the unions who represent the public sector also represent the private sector ie, SIPTU etc, why do public sector workers retire on a pension of approx, €700 per week when private sector workers get a pension of approx €240 per week would it not be better for society if everyone paid the same PRSI and PAYE and all got the same pension? we are in a very serious situation with regard to the economy and we have to start at the top from the president down we must take a pay cut of a minimum of 50%. My final question on this post is does anyone agree with me that Democracy is a very thin veneer in this ********************hole of a country which is run by gombeen men and their sychophants.
X-Ray, your full of sh!t, you really are, some time back you were saying, things like, "if they cut my pay, i work less" etc etc etc, and the other day you quoted this one below in relation to private sector employees
The above quote being very interesting when compared agains your own feelings when talking about ps pay cuts
Youve been outed, stop feigning false concern for the private sector, youve bleated on this site time and time again how you want the IMF in, how you will reduce your co-operation and work if your pay gets cut etc, and whats really behind your thinking is really revealed in the quotes above.
Your a me feiner!!
Last edited by wexfordman; 30th October 2009 at 11:21 PM.
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To return to the original question: There is no question but that the Sindo have an agenda on this one. I noticed it way back last year. On the Sunday after the banks bailout, and on the Sunday after the Lehmann's crash one would have expected some analysis about the seeming implosion of Global Capitalism, how could the markets, the banks, those who said the market was self-regulating----how could they all have got it so wrong etc. etc. Instead, what did we get? (this was before there was any talk of paycuts or strikes in PS) We got page after page attacking the Public Sector in the most abusive and virulent terms "pen pushing idlers" "useless teachers with leather patches on their elbows" etc etc. All unfocused, personal, not linked to any data. Not a word about banks or Wall St, while every other Sunday paper were full of financial analysis
It was then I became suspicious. It was as if they were saying "We've pushed the free market agenda and the less savoury cavortings of the rich Tiger cubs. Ok, so the roof seems to be falling in on everything we promoted. Lets not talk about that. But, quick, look over there at those nasty looking public servants. Don't you just hate them."
Margaret Thatcher did the same in the 80s. Using the tabloid press as a bully boy to spout hatred at the unions, the Irish, the EEC, hunger strikers, any strikers, anyone on her hate list. The tabloids were happy to sing her song.
It has to be said that the unions themselves have not covered themselves in glory since those early days. They fall into every trap set by the media, and do not communicate well.
Now everyone is full of Indo-speak and its unchallenged assumptions: "NAMA is the only game in town" "No one ever taxed their way out of a recession" "Teachers did nothing for benchmarking" "We should listen to the markets" "You wouldnt' get away with that behaviour in the Private Sector" "The PS are parasites" "What planet are they on...?" etc etc
I stand by all of that, I will take industrial action if I am expected to take a hit outside of a situation where there is a national approach taken to recovery. I have already been balloted and have voted yes to both mandates (full strike or limited action).
If a situation arises where a holistic approach is taken and my union returns and says "look we need you to take a pay cut and change some working conditions etc" I will be all ears. But I need to see more tax being paid by those that can, banks being dealt with and indefensible costs in the private sector being dealt with. I am not will be to be singled out or lead the charge.
I think we need to reduce costs and take a step back in our wealth, but I think we all need to do it. If we are going the other road I would sooner have the IMF in to do it.
If I am singled out you better believe I am a me feiner.
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