Muslims give their blessing

[KevinParlon]

It is stunning that these figures are being construed as a "Blessing". I'd hate to see what things would be like if they became unhappy.

It is as follows:

36% Want Sharia Law imposed in Ireland
28% of under 26 year olds regard violence for political means acceptable
More than half, or 57% of this same group want Ireland to become an Islamic State
20% respect Osama Bin Laden and his ilk
42% are not prepared to change their cultural practices, even if they contravene Irish law
42% would not want their children marrying non Muslims.
70% would not want their children raising children in a mixed religious household


A phobia is an irrational fear based on irrational beliefs. The media seems to portray those raising concerns over the huge rise in numbers of Islamic migrants as suffering from a delusion called "islamopobia".

The "extremely high level of tolerance among Muslims living in Ireland" would appear to me to demonstrate very rational grounds for concern over the recent doubling of Muslim numbers here.

Just what are they tolerant of? Our failure to behave as they do?

[ibis]

It is stunning that these figures are being construed as a "Blessing". I'd hate to see what things would be like if they became unhappy.

It is as follows:

36% Want Sharia Law imposed in Ireland
28% of under 26 year olds regard violence for political means acceptable
More than half, or 57% of this same group want Ireland to become an Islamic State
20% respect Osama Bin Laden and his ilk
42% are not prepared to change their cultural practices, even if they contravene Irish law
42% would not want their children marrying non Muslims.
70% would not want their children raising children in a mixed religious household

Looks to me like they fit right into Catholic nationalist Ireland, so...maybe not quite enough respect for violence for political means, though, they could work on that.

Do you perhaps have comparative figures? And I can't help but think you need, perhaps, a note to this effect:

"57% of Islamic under-26's represents less than 0.3% of the population who 'want Ireland to become an Islamic State'"

Q. Compare and contrast the number of Irish under-26's who want Ireland to become a socialist state.

[FutureTaoiseach]

It is stunning that these figures are being construed as a "Blessing". I'd hate to see what things would be like if they became unhappy.

It is as follows:

36% Want Sharia Law imposed in Ireland
28% of under 26 year olds regard violence for political means acceptable
More than half, or 57% of this same group want Ireland to become an Islamic State
20% respect Osama Bin Laden and his ilk
42% are not prepared to change their cultural practices, even if they contravene Irish law
42% would not want their children marrying non Muslims.
70% would not want their children raising children in a mixed religious household

Looks to me like they fit right into Catholic nationalist Ireland, so...maybe not quite enough respect for violence for political means, though, they could work on that.

Do you perhaps have comparative figures? And I can't help but think you need, perhaps, a note to this effect:

"57% of Islamic under-26's represents less than 0.3% of the population who 'want Ireland to become an Islamic State'"

Q. Compare and contrast the number of Irish under-26's who want Ireland to become a socialist state.

0.3% now. But it will grow especially as Turkey joins. Also these people may well pass such ideas onto the next generation after them, leading to a snowball effect in the numbers of Islamic fundamentalists. I really find it alarming that with such a liberal immigration regime in this country, and no history of the State persecuting Muslims or interfering in their rights in any way, that so many of them - including a majority of the under-26's - want Ireland to become an Islamic state. The majority opposing their children marrying outside their religion confirms a stubborn resistance to assimilation. That 42% are refusing to adjust their cultural practices to fit in with Irish society confirms my fears regarding integration by this group - and raises the spectre of French-style trouble in the years ahead. Time for tighter controls.

[ibis]

0.3% now. But it will grow especially as Turkey joins. Also these people may well pass such ideas onto the next generation after them, leading to a snowball effect in the numbers of Islamic fundamentalists.

...or not, leading to an ever-declining number.

I really find it alarming that with such a liberal immigration regime in this country, and no history of the State persecuting Muslims or interfering in their rights in any way, that so many of them - including a majority of the under-26's - want Ireland to become an Islamic state.

Virtually everyone under 26 suffers from extreme political views.

The majority opposing their children marrying outside their religion confirms a stubborn resistance to assimilation.

Whereas the majority of Catholics who oppose their children marrying outside their religion represents what exactly? Or is that OK because "our religion" says the children have to be brought up as Catholics.

That 42% are refusing to adjust their cultural practices to fit in with Irish society confirms my fears regarding integration by this group - and raises the spectre of French-style trouble in the years ahead.

To fit with Irish law - and most of us won't change ours to fit with EU Law. Does that "raise the spectre" of Irish people rioting in Brussels because we don't want to stop using excessive nitrates? Is poteen legal? Is driving drunk legal?

Time for tighter controls.

You're a fool, and a racist. Not solely for the comments posted here, but because it is clear your entire "case" is just 'give a dog a bad name and hang him'.

[KevinParlon]

Ibis, what comparative figures were you interested in? The numbers are of course small, but worrying none-the-less, no?

I would point out to you that the Muslim population of Ireland is approaching the same % as that of Spain (~1% in Ireland and ~ 1.3% in Spain), most of whom are long settled Morrocons; a situation different to our own profile I believe (I don't have the figures mind you so Conor, hold your one-liner). Remember Madrid? That wasn't socialist students (Edit: Or drunk drivers or disgruntled poteen distillers).

Perhaps you think there is nothing to worry about, but I am puzzled that you can be so flippant. The attitudes alone are grave cause for concern IMHO.

[ibis]

Ibis, what comparative figures were you interested in? The numbers are of course small, but worrying none-the-less, no?

I would point out to you that the Muslim population of Ireland is approaching the same % as that of Spain (~1% in Ireland and ~ 1.3% in Spain), most of whom are long settled Morrocons; a situation different to our own profile I believe (I don't have the figures mind you so Conor, hold your one-liner). Remember Madrid? That wasn't socialist students.

Perhaps you think there is nothing to worry about, but I am puzzled that you can be so flippant. The attitudes alone are grave cause for concern IMHO.

Is it flippant to ask for comparative figures? We're talking here about tiny fractions of the population, and people appear to be worrying that somehow this will result in Sharia Law?

Mostly, however, I am a little offhand because I've heard all this before, and it simply doesn't seem to be based on anything rationsl:

1. The French treat their Muslim population exactly as the US treated (and to a fair extent still treats) its black population. They are disenfrachised, ghettoised, and discriminated against - what do they have to lose if they riot? What does it have to do with Islam?

2. In comparison, nearly all our Muslims are here to work. Many of them will disappear in any sort of economic downturn, rather than hanging around to become a long-term problem.

3. People riot. So what? It doesn't really mean anything in the long term - we had the May Day riots, last summer's riots about Unionists, Halloween every year, etc etc. None of these were Muslims - where are the calls to crack down on the inner cities? Who is calling for restrictions on skangers?

4. Ireland is changing extremely rapidly. It's handy to blame immigration for the change, but it's also complete codswallop. We are changing Ireland - immigration is a symptom of the changes we are making, not the cause. If there was no immigration whatsoever, we would still be more secular, more atomised, communities being broken up, etc, because we are making these things happen. It is not imposed on us.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Is it flippant to ask for comparative figures? We're talking here about tiny fractions of the population, and people appear to be worrying that somehow this will result in Sharia Law?

It is extremely flippant to call someone a "racist" simply because they have legitimate and well-founded concerns about Muslim immigration - well founded because of the experience in Holland e.g. Van Gogh murder, Madrid bombings, London bombings, , French riots, 911 etc. I believe there is very significant evidence that as a group, Muslims are harder to integrate because of a vast gulf on values and ideas regarding links between religion and the State, women's rights etc. I make no apology to anyone for pointing this out and calling for remedial measures to restrict numbers coming in. I think for people like you, a threat from Islamic extremism will only be proven if and when we have an Irish 7/7 or 911 - until then, those who question the direction of events are to be termed "racist" - and that is a sad statement of how divorced sections of the left are from reality.

[KevinParlon]

Not based on anything rational? That's untrue I think. The rationale I see is simply this: Extremist views of the type being discussed here (The percentages are alarming, though the figures are small) are EXACTLY what gave rise to the Madrid and London Bombings and the numbers in Spain are not too different from us. Skangers will always be a problem, but they don't bomb trains full of commuters. Islamic extremism does. Equating the two is a little irrational and fatuous, no?

[ibis]

Is it flippant to ask for comparative figures? We're talking here about tiny fractions of the population, and people appear to be worrying that somehow this will result in Sharia Law?

It is extremely flippant to call someone a "racist" simply because they have legitimate and well-founded concerns about Muslim immigration

True. It just doesn't apply in your case.

- well founded because of the experience in Holland e.g. Van Gogh murder, Madrid bombings, London bombings, , French riots, 911 etc. I believe there is very significant evidence that as a group, Muslims are harder to integrate because of a vast gulf on values and ideas regarding links between religion and the State, women's rights etc. I make no apology to anyone for pointing this out and calling for remedial measures to restrict numbers coming in.

One of the reasons I find this bizarre is that it is posted on an Irish board. We ourselves have a very poor record in terms of nearly all of the above.

I think for people like you, a threat from Islamic extremism will only be proven if and when we have an Irish 7/7 or 911 - until then, those who question the direction of events are to be termed "racist" - and that is a sad statement of how divorced sections of the left are from reality. :roll:

Even an Irish 9/11 wouldn't prove it, actually. All it would prove is that there are Islamic extremists in Ireland...but I already know there are Irish extremists in Ireland.

I have been over the last few years a good deal more concerned about the possibility of a Unionist bomb in Dublin than the nebulous "Islamic threat" that you love so much.

We already know that Unionists are hard to integrate, that they have no respect for other cultures & religions, that they have a history of violence, that they are loyal to another state - yet we are actively seeking to bring them into Ireland. Why on earth would I worry about Muslims?

[FutureTaoiseach]

Even an Irish 9/11 wouldn't prove it, actually.