"There's been huge denial of abuse", Archbishop Martin

[Christine Murray]

Pope 'visibly upset' over abuse - The Irish Times - Mon, Jun 08, 2009

On 05/06/09 Archbishop Martin and Cardinal Brady held a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI. Saturday's paper reported the
Pope as being very distressed, they are now addressing a conference in Maynooth regarding that meeting which I have
linked in to above ^


This is the report of the meeting from Irish Times 06/06/09:

Pope 'very distressed' at Ryan briefing by top Irish clerics - The Irish Times - Sat, Jun 06, 2009

Related Link:

http://www.politics.ie/justice/73981...t-mcgarry.html

The Ryan report will be debated in the Dáil this week: http://www.paddydoyle.com

[SilverLining]

Ratzinger should be completely up to speed on what went on -

"Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with “any obscene external act … with youths of either sex.”

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church."
Sex Crimes & the Vatican | Colm O'Gorman

Denial or ignorance of the facts is no excuse from anybody in Rome.

[fergalr]

Surely the existence of a document like that would be reason enough for a warrant.

[ManOfReason]

Words are cheap. 500 million Euros delivered with no strings attached asap would be a real sign of contrition by the Orders.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Surely the existence of a document like that would be reason enough for a warrant.

It should be. Its a subversive instruction to members of the catholic clergy, outlining what the eccelesiastical court expects where such crimes take place. At no point does Crimen Solicitattionis make any mention of reporting the matter to secular authorities. In fact, its worse. It outlines the proper 'confession' expected of a child abuser, the clear implication that forgiveness is possible.

This is subversive under Irish law. It is a criminal offence not to report such crimes.

[oscartango]

The pope's only upset at what it's now going to cost his church/state. The Vatican knew for decades what was going on.

[Christine Murray]

l do know of positive changes within the state school programme having participated in the introduction through committee of the 'Stay Safe' and RSE programmes. These were fought for and did meet with organised campaigns to have them delayed. The statement in the OP indicates a serious approach, unlike some appalling bullying of a victim on this site across multiple threads.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

The pope's only upset at what it's now going to cost his church/state. The Vatican knew for decades what was going on.

Joe the Rat certainly did. The current Pope was then head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Office of the Holy Inquisition, believe it or not).

He was the influence behind getting John XIII's permission to circulate Crimens Solicitattionis.

He even signed a letter to Bishops under his own name in 1982, reiterating that the Crimes Solicitattionis was Canon Law.

Letting him light the Holy White Zippo of Antioch up the chimney in Rome and become Pope was quite possibly the worst possible outcome for the church given that he is now Pope and his grubby fingers are all over the cover-ups from the Vatican side.

By the way, the Religious Orders ALL recognise Papal Authority and are in fact governed by an office in Rome.

So the Bishops here might have wriggle room but neither the Vatican nor the religious orders have any.

All roads lead to Rome. And right to the top. If he was 'distressed' its because the whole thing is so public, not because he was unaware of widespread child abuse by catholic orders in Ireland, UK, US and Canada to name but four countries.

[corelli]

Joe the Rat certainly did. The current Pope was then head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Office of the Holy Inquisition, believe it or not).

He was the influence behind getting John XIII's permission to circulate Crimens Solicitattionis.

He even signed a letter to Bishops under his own name in 1982, reiterating that the Crimes Solicitattionis was Canon Law.

Letting him light the Holy White Zippo of Antioch up the chimney in Rome and become Pope was quite possibly the worst possible outcome for the church given that he is now Pope and his grubby fingers are all over the cover-ups from the Vatican side.

By the way, the Religious Orders ALL recognise Papal Authority and are in fact governed by an office in Rome.

So the Bishops here might have wriggle room but neither the Vatican nor the religious orders have any.

All roads lead to Rome. And right to the top. If he was 'distressed' its because the whole thing is so public, not because he was unaware of widespread child abuse by catholic orders in Ireland, UK, US and Canada to name but four countries.

Captain,

You might want to slow up there. Ratzinger was a lecturer in a university in the early to mid 60's when the document was written and promulgated. He had nothing to do with it. Cardinal Ottiaviani was prefect of the Holy Office when it was written the early 60's and he would have recommended to John XXIII its promulgation.

You are right to say that the Present Pope was prefect but only from 1982 onwards.

You can blame the present Pope for a lot of things but not for being the driving force behind the original document!!

[Factorem]

Ratzinger should be completely up to speed on what went on -

"Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with “any obscene external act … with youths of either sex.”

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church."
Sex Crimes & the Vatican | Colm O'Gorman

Denial or ignorance of the facts is no excuse from anybody in Rome.

Here we go. Another self-perpetuating conspiracy theory.

Dan Brown would be proud.