Campaigning for Irish Diaspora Ancestral Return Rights: Jus Sanguin

[Staropramen]

Interesting . I wonder what the 'correct' answers would be regarding the treaty.

I guess that depend on what party is in power, FF or FG.

[DaBrow]

Perhaps all questions could have an answer of (c) the bloody English


The Geoghean (sic) sisters were not "one generation over". As I said, citizenship acquired through descent may be maintained indefinitely. If their parents had registered for citizenship before the birth of their children (or before 1986) they would be fully entitled to citizenship. Is it coincidence that they wanted to come here just after the collapse of the Argentine economy? I thought you wanted to exclude "freeloaders".

The Jack Charlton Theory of Economics | David McWilliams

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"Sheila and Eileen Geoghegan turned up at the Irish Embassy in Buenos Aires in 2002,"

"They were one generation too late."

That destroys your half-hearted statement.

Do you really expect all the diaspora children to be able to keep up with all the affairs in Ireland?

If they did, don't you think they would have been aware of the stupid 1986 amendment to the Jus Sanguinis Law? Do you think they didn't register because they weren't arsed?

Truth is no, they weren't aware............. If they had been then there would be a scenario where parents with Irish Jus Sanguinis Citizenship could pass the privledge onto their offspring and vice-versa. Instead we have a situation where Grandparents can apply because they were registered before 1986 and the grandchildren can apply but not the parents of the younger generation.

The Italians, Greeks and Japanese have systems that work................. so why can't we? Or is it just cowardice masquerading as Pride?

P.S.

These Girls are model examples of how great this idea would benefit Ireland; they speak two languages if not three, highly educated and wanted to move here as returning Diaspora compatriots.

You are the one calling the girls freeloaders and all good people like them, individuals whom are strongly attached to this country and wish to contribute to it. They love irish culture and wish to strenghten it while enriching it also.

That means you are also insulting: JRMcNelis, 3rd3rd, Eldritch, The Caped Cod, McGhaill, Joseph Emmett, Young Ned, Young Dan to name but a few...... They're american and want to claim citizenship because they identify with ourselves. Are they Freeloaders?


These girls like other Diasporans would actually bother to integrate with the Irish People and be able to assimilate, how many successful examples can you give where the non-culturally & ancestrally affiliated arrivals over the last 15-20 years have adopted a host nations culture or shown the willingness to live outside their own community?

I'll be waiting

[silvernut]

The Jack Charlton Theory of Economics | David McWilliams

Homecoming

"Sheila and Eileen Geoghegan turned up at the Irish Embassy in Buenos Aires in 2002,"

"They were one generation too late."

That destroys your half-hearted statement.

Do you really expect all the diaspora children to be able to keep up with all the affairs in Ireland?

If they did, don't you think they would have been aware of the stupid 1986 amendment to the Jus Sanguinis Law? Do you think they didn't register because they weren't arsed?

Truth is no, they weren't aware............. If they had been then there would be a scenario where parents with Irish Jus Sanguinis Citizenship could pass the privledge onto their offspring and vice-versa. Instead we have a situation where Grandparents can apply because they were registered before 1986 and the grandchildren can apply but not the parents of the younger generation.

The Italians, Greeks and Japanese have systems that work................. so why can't we? Or is it just cowardice masquerading as Pride?

P.S.

These Girls are model examples of how great this idea would benefit Ireland; they speak two languages if not three, highly educated and wanted to move here as returning Diaspora compatriots.

You are the one calling the girls freeloaders and all good people like them, individuals whom are strongly attached to this country and wish to contribute to it. They love irish culture and wish to strenghten it while enriching it also.

That means you are also insulting: JRMcNelis, 3rd3rd, Eldritch, The Caped Cod, McGhaill, Joseph Emmett, Young Ned, Young Dan to name but a few...... They're american and want to claim citizenship because they identify with ourselves. Are they Freeloaders?


These girls like other Diasporans would actually bother to integrate with the Irish People and be able to assimilate, how many successful examples can you give where the non-culturally & ancestrally affiliated arrivals over the last 15-20 years have adopted a host nations culture or shown the willingness to live outside their own community?

I'll be waiting

And David McWilliams is never wrong? I see.

Fact of the matter is that they could have qualified if their parents had registered. Registering would show a certain level of commitment to the country, which is one of your problems with immigrants.

You brought up the freeloader accusation. Coming here to escape the implosion of the Argentine economy would make them freeloaders by your definition, not mine. I welcome immigrants who come here to work and contribute to society regardless of their ancestry.

The Netherlands has had much success due in part to a policy of integration (recent Islamic issues aside). Malaysia, Canada and Singapore all seem to cope pretty well.

[DaBrow]

And David McWilliams is never wrong? I see.

Fact of the matter is that they could have qualified if their parents had registered. Registering would show a certain level of commitment to the country, which is one of your problems with immigrants.

You brought up the freeloader accusation. Coming here to escape the implosion of the Argentine economy would make them freeloaders by your definition, not mine. I welcome immigrants who come here to work and contribute to society regardless of their ancestry.

The Netherlands has had much success due in part to a policy of integration (recent Islamic issues aside). Malaysia, Canada and Singapore all seem to cope pretty well.

Let's see:

2008: Anti-Chinese riots in Malayasia

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2004 Vincent Van Gogh shot and stabbed to death by a Morrocan Immigrant due to his Anti-Islamic Film "Submission"

2002 Anti-immigration mp Pim Fortuyn Murdered in Holland criticised Islam repeatedly throughout career

1998: Anti-Chinese Riots in Indonesia


1969 : Anti-Chinese Riots in Malayasia

My issue is this: Immigration can only work if the people arriving into a country (A) can assimilate because of cultural/ancestral ties (B) Willing to adopt the host nations way of life (C) Make the effort to live amongst the native people.

So I have a problem with Immigration and how it is handled, its not the immigrants fault that they don't have a chance at success.

Man is a mammal that is tribal in nature, people ignoring that fact are causing more damage the longer the continue to be in denial of it.

The Irish people are a tribe and like all tribal people, we can only accept those whom have a strong link to us.

We are no different to anyone else in the world........... because it is human.

[JRMcNelis]

Just a small question...

I believe, and I am not 100% on this, but in one of the tours of one of the many Dublin museums I went to, they stated that in 1921, the main opposition to the treaty by DeValera and others (who eventually became FF) was not that it divided Ireland, but rather that it included an oath of loyalty to the King, and kept Ireland part of the British Empire, and therefore not an Independent Republic.

Obviously, within a few years, the division of the country became a larger concern, and a civil war had since erupted.
In this Civil War, we saw the siezure of the Four Courts, and several assassinations including Michael Collins, among other tragic acts.

Hey, how am I doing on the quiz? lol

[DaBrow]

Just a small question...

I believe, and I am not 100% on this, but in one of the tours of one of the many Dublin museums I went to, they stated that in 1921, the main opposition to the treaty by DeValera and others (who eventually became FF) was not that it divided Ireland, but rather that it included an oath of loyalty to the King, and kept Ireland part of the British Empire, and therefore not an Independent Republic.

Obviously, within a few years, the division of the country became a larger concern, and a civil war had since erupted.
In this Civil War, we saw the siezure of the Four Courts, and several assassinations including Michael Collins, among other tragic acts.

Hey, how am I doing on the quiz? lol

Not bad Young Padawan,

The treaty did contain an oath to the king.......... which really angered De Valera but many pro-treaty supporters whom equally disliked the UK Government implied that they would make the oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs and spit throughout it.

Those whom supported the treaty only did so through grand reluctance, they believed that they didn't have the equipment and supplies to continue fighting the british. Also to mention, the pro-treaty side didn't want a partitioned Ireland but were misled in believing that the country's reunification would happen within 10 years.


A brilliant book called "Ireland: Why Britain must get out" by a man called Paul Foot (Completely oppose his mindset however) explained how....... even though there were faults on both sides of the IRA supporting and Not-Supporting the Anglo-Irish Treaty.

The culprits were DL George and his cabinet; Belfast was the manufacturing capital of the world and one of the wealthiest cities in the british empire for cotton and textiles........... so they created the treaty to cut off the rest of Predominently Catholic Nationalist Ireland from the predominently Protestant Loyalist 6 counties.

The rest was history.

P.S.

Once the truth is told, then we can progress.

[JRMcNelis]

Where is the re-unification movement at exactly on the ground in Ireland?

Obviously you have the power sharing govt, and you have the devolution of powers from London.
You recently had a few murders and a small uptick in violence.

But beyond what one would read in the headlines, what is pulse of the issue in Ireland?

Do people talk about it?
If so, how much do they care about it?

Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein claim to be for reunification, do any other parties make this claim?


As for Irish Americans, I have yet to find one who does not favor re-unification.
And whenever we do talk about Irish politics, it is a top 3 concern.
Probably behind EU relations and maybe citizenship for diaspora rights.

[Eldritch]

Fiana Fail(ure) and Sinn Fein are both full of sh*t, as I posted before it's accurate to describe SF as loyalists due to their strong british links, the countless catholics they killed and how they'd rather bash other nationalists, they have the nerve to condemn rioting but can't condemn their past, so f*ck them.

[DaBrow]

Where is the re-unification movement at exactly on the ground in Ireland?

Obviously you have the power sharing govt, and you have the devolution of powers from London.
You recently had a few murders and a small uptick in violence.

But beyond what one would read in the headlines, what is pulse of the issue in Ireland?

Do people talk about it?
If so, how much do they care about it?

Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein claim to be for reunification, do any other parties make this claim?


As for Irish Americans, I have yet to find one who does not favor re-unification.
And whenever we do talk about Irish politics, it is a top 3 concern.
Probably behind EU relations and maybe citizenship for diaspora rights.

Fianna Fail recently said that Reunification was no longer a priority, according to Martin Manseragh...................

Sinn Féin are not a united party and the fact they appear to have compromised too much is another symbol, that they no longer are fully serious about reunification............ especially with the nutcases we have in the southern branch of sinn féin.

I mean....... How can you be a Party that Advocates Irish Identity & Nationalism, yet support mass-immigration?

Fiana Fail(ure) and Sinn Fein are both full of sh*t, as I posted before it's accurate to describe SF as loyalists due to their strong british links, the countless catholics they killed and how they'd rather bash other nationalists, they have the nerve to condemn rioting but can't condemn their past, so f*ck them.

We need a new party

[Eldritch]

The shinners in a nutshell: