Campaigning for Irish Diaspora Ancestral Return Rights: Jus Sanguin

[Horace Horse]

May I express in no uncertain terms....

If white flight (white citizens fleeing communities due to an influx of minorities/immigrants) is occurring...

That is very, VERY bad.

Please do a case study or a literature review of ANY American city from 1945 to 1980.

In this short 35 year time span, segregation was ended, which is good.
But due to the manner that policy was enacted, many of the wealthier white citizens fled to suburbs.

This was disastrous.
First it makes the city poorer, with less taxable resources to fund schools.
Second, this aids a self-fulfilling prophecy in that the lower economic opportunities make crime a more viable alternative for minorities, further exacerbating racist prejudices.

but also....it creates urban sprawl.

Ireland is a beautiful, green land. Would you want to lose that heritage and pave over it with an endless sea of mcDonalds and Jiffy Lubes stretching from Dublin to the Cliffs of Mohr?

I didn't think so.

White Flight has to be prevented, but how one does this is difficult at best to figure out.

One of the differences between the American case and that happening in Ireland is that in America the Black people predate most whites. Black folks arrived in America in the 17th and 18th centuries, while the Irish only started arriving in numbers at the end of the 18th century. Groups like Italians, Poles etc. came much later.

In Ireland, the African people have only come in the past decade. The consequences of Mad Immigration are incalculable, but are unlikely to be good.

[DaBrow]

May I express in no uncertain terms....

If white flight (white citizens fleeing communities due to an influx of minorities/immigrants) is occurring...

That is very, VERY bad.

Please do a case study or a literature review of ANY American city from 1945 to 1980.

In this short 35 year time span, segregation was ended, which is good.
But due to the manner that policy was enacted, many of the wealthier white citizens fled to suburbs.

This was disastrous.
First it makes the city poorer, with less taxable resources to fund schools.
Second, this aids a self-fulfilling prophecy in that the lower economic opportunities make crime a more viable alternative for minorities, further exacerbating racist prejudices.

but also....it creates urban sprawl.

Ireland is a beautiful, green land. Would you want to lose that heritage and pave over it with an endless sea of mcDonalds and Jiffy Lubes stretching from Dublin to the Cliffs of Mohr?

I didn't think so.

White Flight has to be prevented, but how one does this is difficult at best to figure out.

To Be honest JR,

this has happened across europe. Ireland is only beggining to experience this but in France, Britain and Sweden certainly.............. It has has been happening for years.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9r_NQiZEH4]YouTube - Paris Burning[/ame]

Social Apartheid is so bad in France, the police rarely go to the Banlieus (Slums populated entirely by immigrants/french-born immigrants) and there are parts of paris where the city transport refuse to provide services to particular areas because the buses are hijacked and torched.

This is what Liberal Multiculturalists refuse to acknowledge, the truth is that if you allow a huge number of people into a country and they hold no link to the place........... they stick to themselves and don't interact with anyone outside their cultural clique.

Sweden whom like ourselves let in a huge number of people, are struggling to cope with things and it is straining their country. The population Malmo is apparently now 25% Muslim, and that is purely from immigration over the last 15-20 years.



We can benefit from Immigration but only if it is actually HANDLED INTELLIGENTLY & PROPERLY:

People whom actually relate to a place and identify with its native people; will succeed

People whom fully understand, researched and suggest on the basis of knowledge new tactics for existing problems and re-energising national pride; will suceed

Finally People whom helped us through every dark chapter of our lives and ensured that we fought adversity until we became victorious; will suceed be they proved their worth.

These people (Our Diaspora) however, though are ignored by the only people whom are not capable of any of the three ideals listed above.

[JRMcNelis]

If one accepts that immigration has propagated an irreversible flight from the cities of affluent whites...

Then expect approximately a 50 year expansion of urban density into suburban and rural areas.

As people move further away to "get away from it all," they will miss the things they are getting away from and build more stores, mini malls, hotels, repair shops, and such in rural areas. Look at 2 areas in the US: The state of New Jersey for an example.
Between New York City and Philadelphia runs the New Jersey Turnpike. Look at it from google earth, look how developed it is.
Same is true between Boston and Providence. this is not a good development, but a seriously bad one.

After 50 years or so, a new generation of Irish will want to re-invent cities, they will build mix use zoning lots, and publicly funded urban art programs. It will be costly, and only so-so effective.

But why repeat the problems America faced, when you can avoid them now?

Urban sprawl is bad, white flight is a leading contributor to it.

City decay is bad, white flight is a leading contributor of it as well.

I could go on, but I suspect I am preaching to the choir. Whether you are socialist, FF, FG, Green, fascist, racist, athiest, whatever-ist...
you have a vested reason to oppose the death of your urban centers due to white flight.

[DaBrow]

If one accepts that immigration has propagated an irreversible flight from the cities of affluent whites...

Then expect approximately a 50 year expansion of urban density into suburban and rural areas.

As people move further away to "get away from it all," they will miss the things they are getting away from and build more stores, mini malls, hotels, repair shops, and such in rural areas. Look at 2 areas in the US: The state of New Jersey for an example.
Between New York City and Philadelphia runs the New Jersey Turnpike. Look at it from google earth, look how developed it is.
Same is true between Boston and Providence. this is not a good development, but a seriously bad one.

After 50 years or so, a new generation of Irish will want to re-invent cities, they will build mix use zoning lots, and publicly funded urban art programs. It will be costly, and only so-so effective.

But why repeat the problems America faced, when you can avoid them now?

Urban sprawl is bad, white flight is a leading contributor to it.

City decay is bad, white flight is a leading contributor of it as well.

I could go on, but I suspect I am preaching to the choir. Whether you are socialist, FF, FG, Green, fascist, racist, athiest, whatever-ist...
you have a vested reason to oppose the death of your urban centers due to white flight.

I fully agree JR,

problem is that the political correctness Nazis hijack debate at every opportunity when it relates to immigration and changing demographics.

Liberals scream "Racist" if you even say that immigration is damaging a country and causing "White Flight", they can't accept reality.............. probably because they are just ignorant of actually researching how their braindead ideas have failed dramatically elsewhere.

Mass-Immigrationists and Gombeens are the greatest cancers in Irish Society at the moment, Loyalism too but not as much as these two elements above.

If we are to stop White Flight; we'll have to get rid of these idiots whom are fueling it.

[stewiegriffin]

Well 'dabrow ' anyone who uses terms like 'white flight' is racist . You are specifically referring to the race of a particular group . Not saying you dont have a point , just saying that the term you use has racialist connotations . Why not mention economic aspects of immigration and leave out the BNP slogans?

[Staropramen]

Well 'dabrow ' anyone who uses terms like 'white flight' is racist . You are specifically referring to the race of a particular group . Not saying you dont have a point , just saying that the term you use has racialist connotations . Why not mention economic aspects of immigration and leave out the BNP slogans?

The youtube link I provided used the term "white flight". Are RTE racist? Cop on, Stewie.

[DaBrow]

Well 'dabrow ' anyone who uses terms like 'white flight' is racist . You are specifically referring to the race of a particular group . Not saying you dont have a point , just saying that the term you use has racialist connotations . Why not mention economic aspects of immigration and leave out the BNP slogans?

It is certainly a recognised UK & US Sociological term............ It predates the BNP (They Support Loyalists, Why would any Irishman support them?)

Panorama highlighted it as far back as 2 years ago when they used Blackburn as an example, the Americans use it aswell.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | White Fright

White flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Also, local and international media reported an emerging pattern of indigenous self segregation around Irish-language schooling. Both trends are thought to be a result of increasing numbers of non-national and non-indigenous Irish pupils enrolled in Dublin schools"

[stewiegriffin]

Interesting . I hadnt seen that . The term seems to be common in the US also . I am still wary of the connotations of the term . For me people like Phil Lynnot and Paul Mcgrath are 100% Irish . How would they or people like them fit into the notion of 'white flight' ? Not trying to be provocative , its just i see some flawed thinking here.

[bob3344]

Interesting . I hadnt seen that . The term seems to be common in the US also . I am still wary of the connotations of the term . For me people like Phil Lynnot and Paul Mcgrath are 100% Irish . How would they or people like them fit into the notion of 'white flight' ? Not trying to be provocative , its just i see some flawed thinking here.

Yeah, it uses the word 'white' so it must be racist.

Good example of kneejerk pc 'non-thinking' there stewie.

[DaBrow]

Interesting . I hadnt seen that . The term seems to be common in the US also . I am still wary of the connotations of the term . For me people like Phil Lynnot and Paul Mcgrath are 100% Irish . How would they or people like them fit into the notion of 'white flight' ? Not trying to be provocative , its just i see some flawed thinking here.

Paul McGrath and Phil Lynott had Irish Mothers, but non-Irish Fathers.............. Phil's dad being an Afro-Brazilian, Paul McGrath's dad being a Nigerian.

They are actually half-Irish due to being 50% native/50% Non-Native (One half has never equalled 100% - that is just fact) , but after what those two have done for Ireland on the Music Scene and on the Soccer Pitch.......... I regard and accept them as no different to any other predominent or fully native Irishman.

They are special exemptions......... Kevin Sharkey too

If we had a decent Ancestral Return Policy and ensured that there was careful planning ensuring that new diaspora arrivals didn't outnumber the local native irish, White Flight wouldn't be happening here.