Campaigning for Irish Diaspora Ancestral Return Rights: Jus Sanguin

[DaBrow]

Having a deep empathy with Ireland and its interests (however nebulous) is not the same as preserving a unique Irish cultural identity. I can only point at how the American Jews failed to assimilate with the Mizrahi Jews who lived in Israel prior to their arrival. I see no cultural advantage in allowing automatic access to those of Irish blood into Ireland. It seems to be to be, dare I say it, a more racially inspired idea than anything else. Irishness is not blood-based, it's culturally and geographically based, it is attainable, and it would be very dangerous for anyone to doubt that point giving the actual ethnic mix in Ireland.

Irish is recognised as an ethnic group, Language and Nationality.

So we are a compound Identity but it is predominently Gaelic/Celtic and a mixture of Norman & Viking............ whom intermarried with the native peoples.

Greece allows anyone that is an Ethnic Greek (They also are a mixture thoughout the ages like us too) to claim citizenship, regardless of their generation and location.......... most have even served in the military to help their case progress.

We should welcome Scots-Irish aswell whom identify with ourselves more than their Loyalist ancestors in the North.

This could make more of a difference in the subject of Irish Reunification, as more would vote yes.

[Moderate]

I couldnt put any better than FutureTaoiseach to be honest.

But all you have done is abuse people and call them names so why dont you tell us why its a bad idea and try and win me over instead of calling me names if not run back to your play with your childish name calling .

because its some werid-race-blood-and-soil nonsense. you want to give joe johnson citizenship because someone in his family tree was from cork and left on a boat sometime? its putting people into degrees of irishness. we already have the granny rule and i dont see queues of people dying to get in here. FT is talking about the flippin' famine. i mean come on...even under your rules these lot probably dont qualify. how do you find out peoples ancestory? blood samples? dna? skull sizes? and what happens if they all come here and dont want your maidens dancing at the cross roads version of ireland? this is all way too podge pearse for me...

[Christine Murray]

again the lrish diaspora are denied voting rights and mostly reject moral conservatism.

[Riadach]

Irish is recognised as an ethnic group, Language and Nationality.

So we are a compound Identity but it is predominently Gaelic/Celtic and a mixture of Norman & Viking............ whom intermarried with the native peoples.

Greece allows anyone that is an Ethnic Greek (They also are a mixture thoughout the ages like us too) to claim citizenship, regardless of their generation and location.......... most have even served in the military to help their case progress.

We should welcome Scots-Irish aswell whom identify with ourselves more than their Loyalist ancestors in the North.

This could make more of a difference in the subject of Irish Reunification, as more would vote yes.

Neither ethnic groups, linguistic groups, or Nationalities are necessarily based on blood.

[DaBrow]

Nah, I think the Haughey/Reynolds approach was better: grant Irish citizenship to any Arab Sheikh who's prepared to invest at least a billion in the Irish bloodstock industry.

Interestingly, the Brits seem to be a bit more rigorous in deciding whom they grant their citizenship to: Dodi Al Fayed, the owner of that most quintessentially English institution, Harrods, has been declined time and time again. But then that might also be due to the fact that every time a microphone is put in front of his gob he asserts that Prince Philip and MI6 murdered his son Dodi and his girlfriend Diana.

Charlie Haughey and Reynolds were crooks who worshipped money......... no question about it and John Bruton but that is different.

Anyone that paid money into Ireland in return for citizenship, false asylum seekers and people whom flocked to Ireland with pregnant wives due to the thankfully abolished Irish-Born Child Citizenship law should have their right revoked and encouraged to leave.

Because they arrived for dishonest reasons and have contributed nothing to this country, by making us look stupid and turning our warm hospitatility into a joke.

[Gruffalo]

I am certainly for the idea of it being easier for our diaspora to return. Once we are out of this recession we are going to need more immigrants (I am being optimistic) and I certainly think that our own should be given a level of preference. I think Future Taoiseach put it very well.

I am still against the idea that diaspora living outside the country should get a vote. If you are not going to be here to face the consequences of your decision then you should not get a vote.

[DaBrow]

Neither ethnic groups, linguistic groups, or Nationalities are necessarily based on blood.

Blood in this thread is being used only for identifying a persons descent and origins, immigration to me would only work if the arrivals actually have ancestral links to the country they are wishing to settle in.

We aren't following this which is why we are heading for disaster if nothing is done.

Its wrong that a good and hard-working culturally knowledgeable and attached Irish-American whose ancestors left more than 60-90 years ago if not longer, should be side-lined and overlooked whilst a person from the EU whom has generally no interest in the country are allowed to work and live instead of him

[Limerick Lad]

I am certainly for the idea of it being easier for our diaspora to return. Once we are out of this recession we are going to need more immigrants (I am being optimistic) and I certainly think that our own should be given a level of preference. I think Future Taoiseach put it very well.

I am still against the idea that diaspora living outside the country should get a vote. If you are not going to be here to face the consequences of your decision then you should not get a vote.

How is it difficult for them to "return" currently, are you suggesting that some form of financial assistance should be given to people of Irish ancestry who might wish to make their home in Ireland?

[Moderate]

Blood in this thread is being used only for identifying a persons descent and origins, immigration to me would only work if the arrivals actually have ancestral links to the country they are wishing to settle in.

We aren't following this which is why we are heading for disaster if nothing is done.

Its wrong that a good and hard-working culturally knowledgeable and attached Irish-American whose ancestors left more than 60-90 years ago if not longer, should be side-lined and overlooked whilst a person from the EU whom has generally no interest in the country are allowed to work and live instead of him

basically what you're saying is, you're a racist? correct?

[DaBrow]

How is it difficult for them to "return" currently, are you suggesting that some form of financial assistance should be given to people of Irish ancestry who might wish to make their home in Ireland?

"The Nationality and Citizenship Act allows any person with an Irish grandparent to become an Irish citizen "by registering in the Foreign Births Register at an Irish embassy or consular office, or at the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin." Such an individual may also pass his entitlement to Irish nationality on to his children by registering in the Foreign Births Register even if he chooses not to take up citizenship himself, provided he has registered with the Foreign Births Register before the birth of those children. Section 16 of the Irish citizenship law of 1986 grants the interior minister authority to confer automatic citizenship on any applicant of "Irish origin or affiliation" although this is sparingly used. "

Jus sanguinis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It should be noted, however, that the right to register as an Irish citizen terminates at the third generation"

Irish diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia