Sadly, Almanac, many, many Priests and Bishops knew those who were abusing children yet chose to either do nothing or protect the offender. The RCC has nothing to be proud of here and has no moral ground to stand on.
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Of course it is because it IS a catholic phenomenon. The Christian Brothers are catholic are they not? Look at their history of abuse through the years. My own father and his brothers were abused by 'Christian' Brothers. Try and find just one case of abuse by CoI clergy or Methodists or Baptists or Rabbis. It is the stupid rule on celibacy that contributes to the number of offenders in the catholic clergy.Originally Posted by Almanac
That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and mailiciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
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Here's what the Scottish Free Prebyterians, of all people, had to say:Of course it is because it IS a catholic phenomenon. The Christian Brothers are catholic are they not? Look at their history of abuse through the years. My own father and his brothers were abused by 'Christian' Brothers. Try and find just one case of abuse by CoI clergy or Methodists or Baptists or Rabbis. It is the stupid rule on celibacy that contributes to the number of offenders in the catholic clergy.That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and mailiciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
And what American Protestant Professor of History and Religious Studies, Philip Jenkins, who has been studying this issue for twenty years, wrote:1) Most American churches being accused of child sexual abuse are Protestant. Over the past ten years an average of 70 churches per week have been accused of child abuse.
In Ireland we have the testimony ofJust to find some solid numbers, how many Catholic clergy are involved in misconduct? We actually have some good information on this issue, since in the early 1990s, the Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago undertook a bold and thorough self-study. The survey examined every priest who had served in the archdiocese over the previous 40 years, some 2,200 individuals, and reopened every internal complaint ever made against these men. The standard of evidence applied was not legal proof that would stand up in a court of law, but just the consensus that a particular charge was probably justified.
By this low standard, the survey found that about 40 priests, about 1.8 percent of the whole, were probably guilty of misconduct with minors at some point in their careers. Put another way, no evidence existed against about 98 percent of parish clergy, the overwhelming majority of the group. Since other organizations dealing with children have not undertaken such comprehensive studies, we have no idea whether the Catholic figure is better or worse than the rate for schoolteachers, residential home counselors, social workers or scout masters.http://www.familyandmedia.ie/christm...newsletter.pdfthe Royal College of Surgeons 2002 report on Sexual Abuse and Violence in Ireland (SAVI) which found that clergy and religious teachers are responsible for only 3.2% of all child sexual abuse.
Jenkins also wrote:
http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/co...edjenk03p6.aspMy research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination -- or indeed, than nonclergy. However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported.
Literally every denomination and faith tradition has its share of abuse cases, and some of the worst involve non-Catholics. Every mainline Protestant denomination has had scandals aplenty, as have Pentecostals, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Buddhists, Hare Krishnas -- and the list goes on. One Canadian Anglican (Episcopal) diocese is currently on the verge of bankruptcy as a result of massive lawsuits caused by decades of systematic abuse, yet the Anglican church does not demand celibacy of its clergy.
We also know that there was massive overrepresentation of news stories about abuse by Catholic clergy in the media as measured against its actual rate of occurrence:
http://www.familyandmedia.ie/christm...newsletter.pdf...independent research carried out by Dr Michael J Breen, Head of the Department of Media and Communication Studies at Mary Immaculate College, Limerick, found that there was a major gap here between national prevalence statistics and newspaper reporting. In particular, Dr Breen found that 75% of all stories of child sexual abuse in an Irish Times sample — taken over a similar period (1993-2002) to that of Dr Cameron’s research — referred to clergy. This figure contrasts starkly with those obtained by the Royal College of Surgeons 2002 report on Sexual Abuse and Violence in Ireland (SAVI) which found that clergy and religious teachers are responsible for only 3.2% of all child sexual abuse.
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You seem pretty obsessive about paedophilia, Almanac. Is that a Catholic thing, or is it a personal thing of yours?
And comparative to your stat on over 3% of child sex abuse being conducted by Catholic clergy and RE teachers, could you perhaps give us the corrolative proportion of the population who are Catholic clergy and RE teachers, so that we can properly digest that statistic?
Because it seems to me that if Catholic clergy and RE teachers amount to, ooh let's say less than 0.3% of the population (and my suspicion is that its way lower than that) then basically you're saying they've been ten times more likely than the average person to sexually abuse kids.
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Clerical abuse of children is a predominantly Catholic phenomenon, as is covering it up.That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and mailiciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
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Did you read the foregoing?Clerical abuse of children is a predominantly Catholic phenomenon, as is covering it up.That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and mailiciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
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!Clerical abuse of children is a predominantly Catholic phenomenon, as is covering it up.That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and mailiciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
Here are the population statistics for Ireland from 1961 to 2002 inclusive.
The numbers in brackets show 3.2% of the population for those years.
It would be useful to see how those figures compare to the actual numbers in the population who were clergy or religious teachers in any of those years.
1961: 2,818,341 (90,187)
1966: 2,884,002 (92,288)
1971: 2,978,248 (95,304)
1979: 3,368,217 (107,783)
1981: 3,443,405 (110,189)
1986: 3,540,643 (113,301)
1991: 3,525,719 (112,823)
1996: 3,626,087 (116,035)
2002: 3,917,203 (125,350)
As that an appeal to nature or a different type of bull-************************ that you have no evidence of?Clerical abuse of children is a predominantly Catholic phenomenon, as is covering it up.That is not relevant to the fact that the persons concerned are deliberately and maliciously portraying it as a Catholic phenomenon.
Almanac, the great majority of Irish people do not have animus toward the Catholic church, unfortunately a decent sized segment do. Further more to your disadvantage those that do have spent their lives reading Susan Sontag and the like, are generally highly opinionated, and desperate to be heard. So the public soapbox shall be forever dominated by these types.
I would regard the fear of my fellow atheists of Christianity to have some sort of oedipal origin. The faith is Europe, Europe is the faith, unfortunately however that faith has within it the seeds for it's own destruction. Instead of attempting a mass conversion of the heart, I believe people like you should give up, fight like hell to preserve your faith and our culture from attack and wait for the current anachronistic society in which we live to self-destruct.
I believe the current Pope has come to a similar conclusion, I think he recognises that Catholicism must remain pure if it is to survive even if it suffers is terms of numbers. The tide has receded for Catholics and aesthetic Catholics like myself, but it shall come back again, fear not.
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Almanac: Do you have any figures for the numbers of clergy and religious teachers in Ireland in those years?
If their numbers were less than 3.2% of the population then surely it indicates that they were more likely to abuse children?
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