Hardly surprising when one considers that much of the world subscribes to archaic folk legends that state that the human race was founded on and sustained by incest; as in Cain slaying Able over who would get off with their sister and the daughters of Lot getting him drunk to be incestuously impregnated.Originally Posted by Almanac
Another lie from the person who calls his opponents who expose his lies paedophiles.
50% of abuse is perpetrated by a family member.
Good post and excellent statistical analysis.For a recent arrival on this board, you're mad keen on banning all sorts of people you don't agree with.Here Skinner does the same thing. I have never once before brought up the topic of paedophilia before now yet he insinutate that it's "a personal thing" of mine.
This is an utterly depicable suggestion and anyone who makes these kind of suggestions should be banned.
Or are the rules governing the fora in politicis.ie only selectively applicable?
At least the public can see what these people are like- to what levels they stoop to.
Maybe the answer is for you to set up your own web forum where you can ban whoever you want, with or without impunity?
You've been banging on about paedophilia on a regular basis since you began on this site, in utter denial of the role of the Catholic Church in the sexual and physical abuse of children here and elsewhere. At best, you're a deluded apologist. But now you're launching threads on the topic, I think describing you as being pretty obsessive is an accurate and fair description.
I'm still waiting for you to tell us what proportion of the population are Catholic clerics and RE teachers. Actually, I won't bother waiting. According to the London Times, February this year, there are only 4752 priests in Ireland currently. I'm prepared to guess that there isn't anywhere near that many RE teachers. Let's say 3,200 to be insanely generous. So, a total of around 8,000 people conducting 3% of child abuse in Ireland.
Now the over 15 yo population at the last census was 3,375,299. I'd again assume that 15-17 yos would account for 30% or so of the 633,000 15-24 yos in that census, giving us an overall adult population (18 and over) of around 3,285,300.
So, while priests and RE teachers account for 3.2% of child sex abuse according to the SAVI report you cited, they in fact account for only 0.24% of the adult population. That makes them THIRTEEN times more likely to be child sex abusers.
But that's okay by you. They're just misunderstood. Imaginary daddy in the sky forgives them, etc.
Here's a quote from the SAVI report:
.Combining religious ministers and religious teachers, they constituted the largest single category of authority figures as abusers of boys; 5.8 per cent of all boys sexually abused were abused by clergy or religious. A smaller proportion (1.4 per cent) of girls abused were abused by clergy or religious. For girls, babysitters constituted the biggest group; 4.6 per cent of abusers of girls were babysitters
Did religious ministers and religious teachers ever constitute more than 5.8% of the total population of this state at any one time? Or 1.4%? The latter is possible, the former highly improbable.
As I just established above, they account for well below 1.4% of the population. 0.14% is a lot closer to the mark.
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It's possible though that they made up 1.4% of the total population at some stage. The numbers of clergy were much higher in the past. However, I seriously doubt that they ever made up 5.8% of the population.
It's ironic that the protection of the rights and innocence of children was an integral part of Celtic Law, as well as the equal position of women in society and provision for the elderly and disabled. This was in stark contrast to the Laws and practises of Rome, which transformed into the practises of the patriarchal Roman church. Romanisation was as culturally regressive to the Irish people as Anglicisation.
I'm afraid not. In 1900, the figure was 2,980. The total peaked around 1950. It never exceeded 10,000.
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The arrogant brushing-off of evidence that makes the blood run cold in favour of self-justification and self-protection bears the imprint of a concerted campaign. There may be many possibilities.
One, those who betrayed trust and destroyed childhood do not accept that they or their colleagues did anything wrong.
Two, they still believe that the protection of the Church is their primary responsibility under Canon Law, and to hell (maybe literally) with everything and everyone else.
Three, the corporate Church has instructed them to start fighting back, using denial as their tool.
If the third is true, they don't need it in Ireland: we, unfortunately, have limited their financial responsibility for the crimes committed against children. In other parts of the world, notably the United States, the Roman Catholic Church is threatened with bankruptcy concerning redress for its crimes against children.We have a long way to go in Ireland to pay for Church/State crimes against children. Let's start by forgetting the word "but" when we render judgement on the disgusting people who carried out these crimes.
And these crimes are, sodomy, buggery of children, rape of children, gang rape of chilldren, extreme physical violence on children, starvation of children, and enslavement of children.
The most shocking revelation of Ms Justice Mary Laffoy's Valedictory Report as Chairperson of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse is her summary of the evidence at the Confidential Committee. This committee was established to allow abuse victims to tell their story in a confidential setting.Those who went before the committee were not asking for redress. They did not want their abusers punished or exposed,nor did they want any publicity for themselves.
Therefore,their evidence must be taken as all the more credible.
The story they have told is of abuse on a hitherto unimagined scale.
of beatings
of humiliations
of sexual abuse of all kinds
of degradation
[youtube:1llr00j4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vzIGpcCGGc[/youtube:1llr00j4]
I watched with glee, while your kings and queens, fought for ten decades for the gods they made.
Not historically accurate. For example, it was the Cain Adomnain (promoted by the church) that extended legal protection to women and innocent children.
Give credit where credit is due and put blame where blame is due.
As far back as the mid-1980s, the then Archbishop of Dublin [Dearest Dessie Connell]sought legal advice as to the church’s liability for clerical sexual abuse. He was told that any bishop who knew there were grounds to suspect a priest of abuse and failed to withdraw him from ministry could be held legally liable for negligence. His sole response was to take out insurance cover against any resulting financial loss, and to advise every other bishop in the country to do the same. By 1990, most dioceses had this insurance in place. So they all knew this crime was prevalent enough to be a real concern, but their overriding instinct was to protect the institution from a financial hit, rather than to protect the children from the beasts who were raping and terrorising them.
I watched with glee, while your kings and queens, fought for ten decades for the gods they made.
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