Catholic Church and Abuse (Split from D&E)

[toxic avenger]

Dear God, is this thread still going? It's a great handle to bash Catholicism, isn't it? I wonder, though, how far to the forefront of certain posters' minds the actual child victims of clerical abuse really are, rather than them being a very convenient means to an end...

[Andrew49]

Almanac Wrote:

It's worth bearing in mind, though, that no priest ordained in the last twenty years has been accused of abuse,

Obviously you've not read this:

Rev. Daniel McCormack Ordained 1994

or are not aware of these:

FATHER FERNANDO LOPEZ : Sentenced in 2005 to six years and eight months in state prison for molesting three boys between 2001 and 2004. 2002-2003 St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church Los Angeles
Los Angeles ARCHDIOCESE LAWSUITS

[Andrew49]

Almanac Wrote:

Not only that but the fact that a comparatively few number of perpetrators were responsible for a great deal of these cases needs to be borne in mind.

Are you including in this number those people in the Church who moved the abusers from parish to parish and diocese to diocese - where the abuse continued. By not confronting the abuse surely they become participants! Would they have treated an arsonist in the same fashion after he had set fire to a church? Would they have moved him on to another parish where he could set fire to another church !

Also are you including in this comparatively small number those who stood by while the abuse was ongoing - and remember this abuse covers the physical abuse and the psychological abuse. Are those witnesses to these abuses even a [SIZE=1]tiny[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]bit [/SIZE]culpable if they didn't do anything to halt or prevent the abuse?

I can't write accurately on abuses committed by other denominations because no other denomination has abused me [ though I was chased through a few streets in Belfast in 1969/70 by Paisley's cohorts and got walloped by a few bricks when I was there with some people from the Labour Party and the Connolly Youth Movement ] but I am well aware that abuses are committed by members of other denominations.

And you emphasise again Almanac:

We also know that there was overrepresentation of news stories about abuse by Catholic clergy in the media as measured against its actual rate of occurrence:

But you fail, again, to add that there was CRIMINAL UNDER-REPORTING of the abuse by Catholic clergy as it was occurring.

[aZeroGodist]

My thoughts on religion are clear, but I'm not stepping into this mindfield

[Almanac]

Almanac Wrote: Obviously you've not read this:

Rev. Daniel McCormack Ordained 1994

or are not aware of these:

FATHER FERNANDO LOPEZ : Sentenced in 2005 to six years and eight months in state prison for molesting three boys between 2001 and 2004. 2002-2003 St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church Los Angeles
Los Angeles ARCHDIOCESE LAWSUITS

It's in relation to Ireland as is clear from the article. The point is that effective psychological evaluation has been in operation for the last couple of decades.

[Almanac]

Almanac Wrote: Are you including in this number those people in the Church who moved the abusers from parish to parish and diocese to diocese - where the abuse continued. By not confronting the abuse surely they become participants! Would they have treated an arsonist in the same fashion after he had set fire to a church? Would they have moved him on to another parish where he could set fire to another church !

I agree 100% with you that the bishops who covered up the abuse behaved abominably and also those who did not report it, which must include a lot of people.

[quote=Andrew49;1298886]
[ though I was chased through a few streets in Belfast in 1969/70 by Paisley's cohorts and got walloped by a few bricks when I was there with some people from the Labour Party and the Connolly Youth Movement ]

Can you imagine the reaction if Protestants visiting Ireland got treated in this way?