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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    so jim jones, great lad?
    No. Freedom of religion does not include the right to break the law. Just like priests who sexually abuse kids or embezzle parish funds, or Islamic terrorists, etc, etc, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automaticforthepeople View Post
    Religions are usually based on faith which in turn is based on at least some facts. For instance there was 2 guys, one called Jesus Christ and another Mohmamed who inspired and preached a set of values that pertained to when they lived their lives.

    Tell me what Tom Cruise has to say on the world problems at the moment?
    I'm not sure you get the distinction between faith and facts. We are, in addition, more certain that Hubbard actually lived than we are that JC did.
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    Be the hokey! Young Leo is talking through his hat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    No. Freedom of religion does not include the right to break the law. Just like priests who sexually abuse kids or embezzle parish funds, or Islamic terrorists, etc, etc, etc.
    in this case its clear its a cult, he should have said people should take action if a close friend or family member looks like they might join the group. being tolerant has its limits
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    If you agree with freedom of religion, it also applies to religions you don't like, and I speak as one who doesn't like any of them.

    Actually, the phrase 'freedom of religion' is a bit vague. I don't believe any society has to commit to some open ended catch all phrase like 'freedom of religion' in the first place. It's okay to consider limits and boundaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    in this case its clear its a cult, he should have said people should take action if a close friend or family member looks like they might join the group. being tolerant has its limits
    It ticks so many cult like boxes. And it is despised in Ireland where we have seen Catholic cults take young people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    If you agree with freedom of religion, it also applies to religions you don't like, and I speak as one who doesn't like any of them.




    Scientology is not a recognised religion in Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall996 View Post
    Actually, the phrase 'freedom of religion' is a bit vague. I don't believe any society has to commit to some open ended catch all phrase like 'freedom of religion' in the first place. It's okay to consider limits and boundaries.
    Bunreacht is anything but vague:
    44: 2 1 freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.
    So, unless Scientology (which I abhor, BTW) can be demonstrated to be contrary to 'public order and morality', people are free to practice it. And it's not the job of an individual politician to decide what constitutes 'public order and morality'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    Scientology is not a recognised religion in Ireland.
    Link? I know it's not recognised as a charity.
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    Nice that he wont comment on stuff he doesn’t know enough about.... makes a change.
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