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    Welcome - but what really needs to happen NOW is for the education system to be removed from any influence of the religious hierarchies and religion removed completely from schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Welcome - but what really needs to happen NOW is for the education system to be removed from any influence of the religious hierarchies and religion removed completely from schools.
    Im not necessarily averse to religious education as long as the Churches and/or those who want religious education pay for it themselves.
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    It's about time this happened. People should be appointed on merit. It is time to start dismantling the role of churches in education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raetsel View Post
    It's about time this happened. People should be appointed on merit.
    Someone should tell that to the unions. As it is, teachers who can't find a job are put on a panel, which has to be emptied before jobs can be offered to newly qualifieds. That doesn't sound very meritorious to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit v2 View Post
    Someone should tell that to the unions. As it is, teachers who can't find a job are put on a panel, which has to be emptied before jobs can be offered to newly qualifieds. That doesn't sound very meritorious to me.
    Newsflash: Unions defend the interests of their members!

    That is why, if you are a worker (and everyone who is not the owner is a worker) you should be in a union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillmanhunter1 View Post
    Newsflash: Unions defend the interests of their members!

    That is why, if you are a worker (and everyone who is not the owner is a worker) you should be in a union.
    Don't be talking about job appointments based on merit then ...

    I agree it makes sense to be in a union for some jobs, but not most jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillmanhunter1 View Post
    Newsflash: Unions defend the interests of their members!
    And at the expense of service users if necessary, that being none of their concern, most especially in the laughably named "public service"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit v2 View Post
    Don't be talking about job appointments based on merit then ...

    I agree it makes sense to be in a union for some jobs, but not most jobs.
    I believe that it makes sense to be in a union in all jobs. The problem in Ireland (and some other countries) is that all the unions are left wing and their members are not. I fully support the right of individuals in any employment to join a union, but there should be a choice of unions from socialist, to middle ground, to conservative. This is the model in many other European countries.
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    Bishops have come out in favor of removing this provision. (or at least that they have no objection to it's removal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulp View Post
    Bishops have come out in favor of removing this provision. (or at least that they have no objection to it's removal)
    They have little choice:
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...-low-1.3233625

    "Church of Ireland has twice as many students starting ministry studies"
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