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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Maybe the solution would be to split SSM from OSM and have 2 separate legal definitions?

    I cant see any real objections to that approach

    - at the moment its all just a mess....
    It's only a mess in your mind. In the real world it's all pretty straightforward and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Maybe the solution would be to split SSM from OSM and have 2 separate legal definitions?

    I cant see any real objections to that approach

    - at the moment its all just a mess....
    There is no reason or need to do that and yes it would be objectionable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    Can you get any more stupid? That link doesn't disprove my point that refusal to consummate is not grounds for annulment. It's also not a description of Irish law.

    You can't deal with the simple fact. This sort of marriage was always possible between men and women. The referendum simply meant two men or two women could also marry solely for tax advantage, just as men and women already could.
    That link doesn't disprove my point that refusal to consummate is not grounds for annulment.

    I think the onus is on you to show that it does not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    That link doesn't disprove my point that refusal to consummate is not grounds for annulment.

    I think the onus is on you to show that it does not...
    You made the claim that it was. You can't prove that to be the case because it's not the case.

    Now deal with the core flaw in your position: men and women have been able to enter into valid marriages solely for tax advantage for generations. The referendum did not open that possibility - it just means two men or two women can now do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    You made the claim that it was. You can't prove that to be the case because it's not the case.

    Now deal with the core flaw in your position: men and women have been able to enter into valid marriages solely for tax advantage for generations. The referendum did not open that possibility - it just means two men or two women can now do the same.
    What's the 'flaw' in my position?

    I accept that this can happen now under Irish Law

    - my point is I do not agree that it should
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    What's the 'flaw' in my position?

    I accept that this can happen now under Irish Law

    - my point is I do not agree that it should
    Yes i agree it shoudnt happen but as has already been pointed out before the referendum there was and is no bar to straight couples doing exactly the same thing, the refererndum changed nothing in this regard, its only because of the publicity and that its a male-male 'couple' that has you foaming at the mouth if a heterosexual couple had done the same and publicized it (a stupid move in my opinion) before the referendum (which they could) i doubt you'd have been this worked up about it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    What's the 'flaw' in my position?

    I accept that this can happen now under Irish Law

    - my point is I do not agree that it should
    The flaw is that marriages solely for tax benefit were always possible in Irish law. The referendum did not introduce the possibility, it only allowed same sex pairs do what opposite sex pairs could already do (i.e. marry for no reason other than tax benefits).
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