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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    I don't get your point...

    Jeremy Corbyn had a very comfortable middle class upbringing...

    Varadkar is no socialist... but then nor are the majority of Irish voters... which we prove at every election...

    The left here may think they're a lot more significant than they are... but it doesn't mean they are...

    Adopting the usual auld begrudgery and going on about silver spoons isn't particularly useful...
    I suppose its the hypocrisy of dishing out Austerity to people who have never been well off and possibly never will be by a person that has been Silver Spooned his entire life..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    I suppose its the hypocrisy of dishing out Austerity to people who have never been well off and possibly never will be by a person that has been Silver Spooned his entire life..........
    If you look at what actually happened though... it was those at the top and at the bottom who were taken care of throughout 'austerity' and who still are.

    As always it was the majority in the middle who were crapped all over and hung out to dry.

    Neither the top or the bottom ever appreciate anything imo.

    They just demand and expect everyone else to take hits (which they do) while they're taken care of... and they complain throughout...

    The top just p!ss all over everyone aided and abetted by a 'rigged system' which Corbyn is spot on about.

    I think Varadkar wants to give a fair deal to those in the middle who are constantly crapped all over... and I don't see anything wrong with that tbh.
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    I don't think it's useful to get carried away with the personality of the Taoiseach. None of them were as personally charming and charismatic as Haughey and he was a disaster. Albert Reynolds with is perma-tan, C&W background and one-page man persona turned out to be the right man to kick of the peace process and was possibly out greatest Taoiseach for that achievement alone.

    I abhor Leo for his cynical Welfare Cheats campaign which was only ever intended to part of his leadership bid but he's not long enough in the job to make a definitive judgement. The Budget will tell us who Leo really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    If you look at what actually happened though... it was those at the top and at the bottom who were taken care of throughout 'austerity' and who still are.
    Generalise much ?

    Those at the bottom were taken care of ? How exactly ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    If you look at what actually happened though... it was those at the top and at the bottom who were taken care of throughout 'austerity' and who still are.

    As always it was the majority in the middle who were crapped all over and hung out to dry.

    Neither the top or the bottom ever appreciate anything imo.

    They just demand and expect everyone else to take hits (which they do) while they're taken care of... and they complain throughout...

    The top just p!ss all over everyone aided and abetted by a 'rigged system' which Corbyn is spot on about.

    I think Varadkar wants to give a fair deal to those in the middle who are constantly crapped all over... and I don't see anything wrong with that tbh.
    I can agree with some of that but I fear that Leo will be looking after the Top section........
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Generalise much ?

    Those at the bottom were taken care of ? How exactly ?
    Welfare was largely protected for a start.

    Not everything and not all benefits... but the core rates were maintained.

    And of course at the other end the top sailed through relatively unscathed with a few exceptions obviously... while few if any punitive consequences were imposed on those who engaged in and who enabled all sorts of dodgy activities - political, corporate and regulatory etc...
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    Thankfully so most core rates were protected.

    Otherwise there would have been armageddon for many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    The Healy Raes would have grown up in a wealthier household than just about any other TD.
    But unlike the Healy Raes, Varadkar's parents look like they earned their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    I can agree with some of that but I fear that Leo will be looking after the Top section........
    The top are now pretty much immune from any hardship - whether it's boom or bust they just get richer and take a larger share of the global pie.

    It's obscene... but not until they're forced to connect with the rest of the world is anything going to change much there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    And of course at the other end the top sailed through relatively unscathed with a few exceptions obviously... .
    USC introduced
    Tax credits cut
    House prices collapsed 60%
    ISEQ down 80%
    Pension funds hammered
    Companies failed
    Personal guarantees called in


    They too took massive hits.
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