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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    Speaking as an outsider this post highlights one thing I've noticed among a minority - any perceived criticism or flaw is either blamed on the Brits or deflected from by pointing at the Brits - despite being independent for almost a century.
    This attitude is not about the Brits. It's a way for Irish people who feel guilty about the way things have been left (partition, and all that entails) to deny their guilt. "it wasn't the Irish people it was the Brits, the Church, the Bankers, the Contractors and the ECB that have ruined Ireland".


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    While I'm waiting for Eagle's answer.

    One person's point of view -

    Patriarchy Pt 3: Women’s Contribution to Patriarchy | The Cydonian Signal

    Because women were the ones who maintained it.

    While state and law is the realm of men, tradition and social custom is the realm of women. They communicate with the women of their group and develop a consensus of what behavior is acceptable or not. They ostracize those who do not adhere to those norms and they give social approval to those that do. Having access to their children, women then teach these norms to the next generation who continue the cycle. For thousands of years, while men have engaged in building civilization, women have engaged in perpetuating the social memes that keep civilized people together.


    The Magdalene Laundries, mother and baby homes, industrial schools ... all flourished in plain sight. They served a purpose in Irish society.



    Why Patriarchy Persists (and How We Can Change It) - Organizing Change

    *Holds up the traditional male qualities as central, while other qualities are considered subordinate. ....

    *Dualistic and gendered thinking of roles. Within this structure, men and women both have their own specific roles (e.g. men leading, and women supporting). ....

    *Male domination. Men often occupy the most important and visible roles (e.g. executives, politicians, public leaders, etc. ....

    *Protection of traditional patriarchal social structures. ....

    *Reinforcement of other types of oppression. Patriarch contributes to racism, sizeism, and homophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth View Post
    Irish mythologists.

    You would have to be away with the fairies to think a fertilised egg is the equivalent of a born citizen,
    There's exactly the same logic to that idea as there is to accepting a 1 day old infant is equivalent to a 1 year old, but self-interest and not logic being your guiding light, you don't get that.
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    The number one national myth is about Guinness.

    The amount of bulls1t about one bad tasting slop is astounding.

    Firstly Guinness is NOT good for anybody - except those who own it ir work there. There are more b vitamins in the bread in a lunch roll. Arters scutter is a fast track to type 2 diabetes.

    Secondly it is NOT patriotic. Generations of rebells have always viewed it with suspicion as it was too close to the crown to be trusted.

    Thirdly it is NOT Irish. It is one brand of a London headquartered multinational. It is as Irish as McDonalds or Apple.

    Finally, the myth that it is trendy and fashionable. That only exists in respect of the relentless hard sell from the Irish media - who are merely following the policy of "support our advertising sponsors".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewolfe View Post
    Bitterness is strong in this one
    Well it does seem that you can take the girl out of TUV country but oftentimes you cannae take the TUV country out of the girl.

    I really hate the patronizing attitude and psycho assumptions upper middle class Ulster Unionists (culturally she is a Unionist, her Irish Nationalism comes from it being trendy among the English fashionable Left) have towards Southerners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    One Moi can confirm as true is that Orangies have huge wangers...
    Otherwise known as "Their Parents"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    Well it does seem that you can take the girl out of TUV country but oftentimes you cannae take the TUV country out of the girl.

    I really hate the patronizing attitude and psycho assumptions upper middle class Ulster Unionists (culturally she is a Unionist, her Irish Nationalism comes from it being trendy among the English fashionable Left) have towards Southerners.
    Eagle has actually held back on her views. It would be interesting to hear who Eagle thinks are the voices for patriarchy on Politics.ie (excluding yourself, of course, being a drag queen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    The number one national myth is about Guinness.

    The amount of bulls1t about one bad tasting slop is astounding.

    Firstly Guinness is NOT good for anybody - except those who own it ir work there. There are more b vitamins in the bread in a lunch roll. Arters scutter is a fast track to type 2 diabetes.

    Secondly it is NOT patriotic. Generations of rebells have always viewed it with suspicion as it was too close to the crown to be trusted.

    Thirdly it is NOT Irish. It is one brand of a London headquartered multinational. It is as Irish as McDonalds or Apple.

    Finally, the myth that it is trendy and fashionable. That only exists in respect of the relentless hard sell from the Irish media - who are merely following the policy of "support our advertising sponsors".
    And Arthur Guinness was a British Spy.
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    All NAMA deals are honest,above board and in the interest of the Taxpayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    The number one national myth is about Guinness...
    I'll add to that the most brazen myth-inventing of Diageo:

    -- That Guinness is made from pure Wicklow Mountain water!

    Reality: Guinness is made from fluoridated tap water, and they don't remove the fluoride (which is highly toxic). You cannot taste it, but it's there.
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