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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    It's not a religious festival anymore. It's a public holiday.
    Well, it is a commercial occasion. As you say, the religious context is withering away, thank God

    Who knows, maybe the Vintners will get their way and Good Friday will become just another busy night in the pubs?

    Publicans call on Government to scrap Good Friday alcohol ban
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    It's not a religious festival anymore. It's a public holiday.
    Yeah, just fix the holiday Monday (and Friday?) to a sensible date and leave it at that. Call it Spring Break or something equally non-religious. Let the church do what they want with Easter but without the movable public holiday. And open the pubs on the Friday.
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    Some stuff on the pagan roots of easter here; The pagan roots of Easter | Heather McDougall | Opinion | The Guardian

    Basically, all the fun stuff at easter is pagan (chocolate eggs and stuff). The shít bits are courtesy of the church, i.e. being forced to go to mass.

    All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre, a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilW View Post
    Has anyone thought about the consequences for commemorating 1916?!
    Maybe, when we work it out, we'll discover that we missed it. Oh well, there's always 2116...

    The mathematics involved in working out the date of Easter is interesting and is based on the 19 year Metonic cycle, which is, as ancient Greek astronomers discovered, the least number of years that equates to a fixed whole number of lunar months. A lunar month is the time the moon takes to rotate around the earth, and is what establishes the phases of the moon, full-moon etc. and easter being the first Sunday after the first full-moon after 20 March.

    The church referred to this calculation as the "Computus". Here it is in a way you could adapt for a spreadsheet. Without computers, you can imagine it was a big enough deal to work it out (correctly) and is partly why the church had an interest in Mathematics (and astronomy).

    int month, day;
    int a = year % 19,
    b = year / 100,
    c = year % 100,
    d = b / 4,
    e = b % 4,
    g = (8 * b + 13) / 25,
    h = (19 * a + b - d - g + 15) % 30,
    j = c / 4,
    k = c % 4,
    m = (a + 11 * h) / 319,
    r = (2 * e + 2 * j - k - h + m + 32) % 7,
    n = (h - m + r + 90) / 25,
    p = (h - m + r + n + 19) % 32;

    month = n;
    day = p;
    which I suppose points to another solution to the moveable feast problem. We could switch from a solar yearly calendar to a lunar one. That might create some other problems though - like the seasons gradually moving around the calendar..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDee View Post
    So the Irish government would declare a date for a religious festival...yep, that makes perfect sense.
    The ceremonial baptism of the Burton's ass in flood water could be one it initiates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    The solution if for the elders of the Christian churches, together with the greatest historians and scholastics, to consult the ancient texts of Christianity and also pagan fertility tradition and come up with a solution. Or the government could just declare a date and fix it.
    Agreement between Christian churches on a date for Easter is not a job for govt.
    I used to think having a set date for Easter would be a good thing but lately I quite like the idea of a moveable feast as it adds variety to the annual calender.

    What really needs fixing is the ghastly Irish St Patricks holiday held ,often midweek , during the islands worst period of bad weather and during the penitential season of Lent.
    Only the Irish could come up with such a cruel and absurd choice of date on which to celebrate the feastdaybog of their national saint.
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    Im literally crying tears of anger now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    It's not a religious festival anymore. It's a public holiday.
    Except it is a religious festival - the single most important one - and there are still hundreds of millions of people around the globe who celebrate it as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Agreement between Christian churches on a date for Easter is not a job for govt.
    I used to think having a set date for Easter would be a good thing but lately I quite like the idea of a moveable feast as it adds variety to the annual calender.

    What really needs fixing is the ghastly Irish St Patricks holiday held ,often midweek , during the islands worst period of bad weather and during the penitential season of Lent.
    Only the Irish could come up with such a cruel and absurd choice of date on which to celebrate the feastdaybog of their national saint.
    It would be a lot easier if they agreed one mega-day to cover ALL the Christian bun-worrying festivals - Christmas, Easter, all of the Saint days - nice and tidy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilW View Post
    Has anyone thought about the consequences for commemorating 1916?!
    Easter was specifically chosen by the rebels for its symbolism - blood sacrifice, resurrection, redemption and all that (blasphemous) lark - so the anniversary should always be the Easter Monday (whatever date), not April 24th (which was not chosen because it was April 24th)...
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