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    Aggressive Secularism: how long will it be before it takes over Ireland?

    The recent referendum had many silly fears of priests being forced to solemnise gay marriages, Catholic adoption agencies to close, or people being arrested for thought crime. It was all very silly stuff from those who still believe in a God.

    But when will secularism take off here?
    When will schools, paid for by the State, be religious ethos free? Educating of science rather than instructing religion?
    Why is protecting gay teachers seen as necessary now but straight atheist teachers will not be protected?
    When will the angelus be removed? Or not televising mass? Or not bothering to interview an archbishop?
    Army chaplains could be non-denominational. Why aren't they.
    Oaths should be removed.
    Concessions to religious dress or holy days could be prohibited to ensure equality for all.
    Churches could pay tax and commercial rates (unless they exclusively do charity).
    The growth in Islam could be stayed,if there is little prospect of it gaining hold here if most people think a religion is a formalised superstition.
    Only 37% of students currently believe in God (though I presume a larger number of less educated people believe in God).
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    It's probably fair to say that 'aggressive secularism' simply results in similar restrictions with a new excuse.

    One example is prostitution, heavily morally disapproved of and legislated against by religionists, now just as heavily disapproved of in the likes of Sweden, under the guise of feminist equality.

    Ask the citizens of China or Russia how living in a secular society is preferable to a religionist one such as the US.

    It's human nature to want to regulate and secularism certainly doesn't mean freedom.

    As things stand in Ireland, the recent startling decline in church influence can only be a good thing, but something else, whether aggressive secularism or otherwise, will step in to take its place.
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    As soon as the Labour Party get an overall majority?
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    I think you are putting a load of things together here that may not belong together. For example, saying that gay teachers have to be protected but atheists can swing, I have no idea what you are talking about, quite literally no idea, and how it has anything to do with secularism.

    The United States of America is a secular nation on the paper that truly matters, in the constitution, and it's by far one of the most religious countries on Earth. I think you are being a bit dramatic here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieD View Post
    I think you are putting a load of things together here that may not belong together. For example, saying that gay teachers have to be protected but atheists can swing, I have no idea what you are talking about, quite literally no idea, and how it has anything to do with secularism.
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    Section 37.1 protects religious organisations from the equality provisions. That will be changed for LGBT teachers, who will now get the protection of the equality laws. Nothing changes for atheists. There are no plans to afford protection to them if their views, statements or actions are deemed by a board of management to undermine the state's ethos of a school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Careful now View Post
    It's probably fair to say that 'aggressive secularism' simply results in similar restrictions with a new excuse.

    One example is prostitution, heavily morally disapproved of and legislated against by religionists, now just as heavily disapproved of in the likes of Sweden, under the guise of feminist equality.

    Ask the citizens of China or Russia how living in a secular society is preferable to a religionist one such as the US.

    It's human nature to want to regulate and secularism certainly doesn't mean freedom.

    As things stand in Ireland, the recent startling decline in church influence can only be a good thing, but something else, whether aggressive secularism or otherwise, will step in to take its place.
    First we had the Brits.
    Then the church.
    Then godless commercialism/hedonism.
    BS spiritualism has taken too much of hold in post tiger Ireland, as might have been expected,
    Though it's hard to discern what ethos is in place now.
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    When Ivana appoints herself as dictator for life.

    [ the likelihood that she will be elected to anything outside of Trinners, has already discussed at length ]
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