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    PeacefulViking PeacefulViking is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    The U.S. may be formally secular but the Supreme Court have come with a few oddities, a retail sales assistant was discriminated against for wearing a head scarf
    Prisoners could be permitted to grow beards (they can't be that much of a Muslim if they are in jail)
    And of course, the ludicrous decision that a company can have a religious conscience and refuse to ensure their female workers for contraceptives (why such things are in an health insurance policy in the first place, is another story).

    A few years back, the leaving very had to be sat on a Saturday but for Jewish students they could be deferred until the Sunday. Which is daft.
    The decisions you mention are based on laws passed by Congress.
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    Aggressive Secularism: how long will it be before it takes over Ireland?

    Gradually and in the fullness of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    First we had the Brits.
    The good old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    The recent referendum had many silly fears of priests being forced to solemnise gay marriages, Catholic adoption agencies to close, or people being arrested for thought crime. It was all very silly stuff from those who still believe in a God.
    The consequences of the referendum won't be played out for many months, so unless you have a crystal ball you can't know what will flow from it. The concerns of those for and against are still relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    But when will secularism take off here?
    When will schools, paid for by the State, be religious ethos free? Educating of science rather than instructing religion?
    Why is protecting gay teachers seen as necessary now but straight atheist teachers will not be protected?
    When will the angelus be removed? Or not televising mass? Or not bothering to interview an archbishop?
    Army chaplains could be non-denominational. Why aren't they.
    Oaths should be removed.
    Concessions to religious dress or holy days could be prohibited to ensure equality for all.
    Churches could pay tax and commercial rates (unless they exclusively do charity).
    The growth in Islam could be stayed,if there is little prospect of it gaining hold here if most people think a religion is a formalised superstition.
    Only 37% of students currently believe in God (though I presume a larger number of less educated people believe in God).
    You're not pro-secularism - you're anti-religion.
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    As long as the RCC persists with a Dark Age belief in victimless sins and remains immersed in scandal regarding child abuse and other issues e.g. the Vatican bank, the drive for secularism will continue - at street level at least. The politicians being of an older generation seem in no hurry to address the school patronage question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    The recent referendum had many silly fears of priests being forced to solemnise gay marriages, Catholic adoption agencies to close, or people being arrested for thought crime. It was all very silly stuff from those who still believe in a God.

    But when will secularism take off here?
    When will schools, paid for by the State, be religious ethos free? Educating of science rather than instructing religion?
    Why is protecting gay teachers seen as necessary now but straight atheist teachers will not be protected?
    When will the angelus be removed? Or not televising mass? Or not bothering to interview an archbishop?
    Army chaplains could be non-denominational. Why aren't they.
    Oaths should be removed.
    Concessions to religious dress or holy days could be prohibited to ensure equality for all.
    Churches could pay tax and commercial rates (unless they exclusively do charity).
    The growth in Islam could be stayed,if there is little prospect of it gaining hold here if most people think a religion is a formalised superstition.
    Only 37% of students currently believe in God (though I presume a larger number of less educated people believe in God).
    You were doing ok until your last sentence.

    One element of secularism is respect for those of religious faith, as long as they keep it in their private domain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    That's quite a large chip on your shoulder.
    Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in God' - Telegraph
    You tell me I've a chip on my shoulder and then go on to quote the Telegraph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Careful now View Post
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    Ask the citizens of China or Russia how living in a secular society is preferable to a religionist one such as the US.

    It's human nature to want to regulate and secularism certainly doesn't mean freedom.
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    The secularity or religiosity of China V the US has nothing to do with their lifestyles. It has to do purely and simply with political systems.

    Secularism per se doesn't mean freedom, but neither does it mean a lack of freedom. All it means is that religion is kept in the private domain and doesn't play a role in state institutions.
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    Half nine ifa Tuesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    The recent referendum had many silly fears of priests being forced to solemnise gay marriages, Catholic adoption agencies to close, or people being arrested for thought crime. It was all very silly stuff from those who still believe in a God.

    But when will secularism take off here?
    When will schools, paid for by the State, be religious ethos free? Educating of science rather than instructing religion?
    Why is protecting gay teachers seen as necessary now but straight atheist teachers will not be protected?
    When will the angelus be removed? Or not televising mass? Or not bothering to interview an archbishop?
    Army chaplains could be non-denominational. Why aren't they.
    Oaths should be removed.
    Concessions to religious dress or holy days could be prohibited to ensure equality for all.
    Churches could pay tax and commercial rates (unless they exclusively do charity).
    The growth in Islam could be stayed,if there is little prospect of it gaining hold here if most people think a religion is a formalised superstition.
    Only 37% of students currently believe in God (though I presume a larger number of less educated people believe in God).
    What's aggressive about any of that?
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