Anglicisation of our drinking??

[Rebel CNC]

From Daily Telegraph today


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main ... do2602.xml

Article says that
"The Irish used to drink in inter-generational groups, which has a civilising effect, while female drunkenness was frowned upon, as were overt displays of intoxication.

Now Irish women vomit at bus stops like good English girls, teenagers booze in packs, and alcohol-related violence has rocketed. Drunken Irish football fans even shout in mockney accents picked up from English TV, which carry a certain chav chic."

[fergalr]

Perfidious Albion strikes again

[905]

The most ridiculous article I've ever read. First because it's insulting to the English, suggesting that drunkness is somehow enshrined in their culture. Second, he thinks Ireland has been anglicised by Tescos (I've never been in a Tescos) and English football is the new religion.
A load of rubbish. Typical 'oh, the country's going to the dogs', only with a bit of 'and it's spreading to other countries too'.

[18 Brumaire]

".................. English celebrity culture, is everywhere; British tabloids have taken over; English football is the new religion................"

I agree with every word.

[905]

Then get out more. English football can't hold a candle to Gaelic football at the end of the day, and how do tabloids take over anything other than the tabloid market? We Irish are perfectly capable of having our own massive drink problem without the English claiming they introduced that as well. I'm serious.

[farnaby]

OTT article (importing nihilism?!?), but I have noticed the import of the British drinking culture over the past 10-15 years (which was probably new to Britain itself 25-30 years ago, i just wasn't hanging around pubs at the time) - getting drunk is the raison d'etre of the night out.

Craic used to be the objective (drink being an accompaniment or at worst an enabler) and the word itself was part of our social language; now it seems an outdated embarrassment, a touristy slogan.

Maybe I went to the wrong (right) places, but I never saw a drunken fight here until the end of the 90s. Having started my drinking life in England in the mid-90s, witnessing fights practically every weekend.

[fergalr]

You never saw a drunken Irishman until the end of the 1990s? We can't have exported them all, surely?!

[popper]

There are not many pubs - in Dublin at any rate - where quiet sociable drinking is the norm, not at weekends anyway. Most places seem jammed to the rafters with gangs, of all social types and genders, throwing as much into them as possible and preferably being as obnoxious to everyone else as possible. "Christmas" (ie. mid November to mid January) is the high point of their year. A veritable bacchanalia of the drunken twat.

Which is why I only drink on weekday mornings

[fergalr]

Ah get enough young people in a room with drink and it gets a little rowdy. Sure in a few years we'll be able to grow organs and there'll be no issue at all :P

[meriwether]

There are not many pubs - in Dublin at any rate - where quiet sociable drinking is the norm, not at weekends anyway. Most places seem jammed to the rafters with gangs, of all social types and genders, throwing as much into them as possible and preferably being as obnoxious to everyone else as possible. "Christmas" (ie. mid November to mid January) is the high point of their year. A veritable bacchanalia of the drunken twat.

Which is why I only drink on weekday mornings

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