Britz, a thoughtful film about a British suicide bomber

[baslamak]

Review/Britz, a compassionate and thoughtful film about a British suicide bomber.
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[MichaelR]

There is one good answer to "suffering of Muslims" in the country where they chose to seek a better life.

WELCOME TO THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. (The article is about England not Ireland; but RCs are good enough too.) If you encounter any racists, complain to the nearest Bishop; converts of all races and backgrounds are to be accepted freely and lovingly.

Alternatively, keep your religion private (it's a free country) and shut yer gobs!

The comparison to the situation in Ireland of any time is not fair. The Irish are native here; even in the North the battle was at best between two kinds of natives. (Moreover, comparing a suicide bomber, intentionally killing civilians, to Mairéad Farrell, who was attacking military personnel, seems like an insult to Mairéad's memory.)

But the Muslims have come to England because they perceived life there better than in their native Islamist society. They have no business remodelling their new country into an image of what they had to escape from.

For comparison, imagine the Soviet refugees of the 40-80s trying to support communist parties in the West. Only they didn't; in fact they tended to be somewhere in the Thatcher/Reagan line of politics. (A number escaped through Shannon at the stopover between flights, but I think they tended to end up in Britain rather than Ireland).

That's who the Muslims should learn from. If you had to escape a system, there's a reason why it became like that. And you should learn that reason and expose it, rather than bring the evil you escape with you.

[smiffy]

The comparison to the situation in Ireland of any time is not fair. The Irish are native here; even in the North the battle was at best between two kinds of natives. (Moreover, comparing a suicide bomber, intentionally killing civilians, to Mairéad Farrell, who was attacking military personnel, seems like an insult to Mairéad's memory.)

(a) The IRA intentionally killed civilians.

(b) On the 'native' point, where did the protagonists of the two films come from?

[MichaelR]

The comparison to the situation in Ireland of any time is not fair. The Irish are native here; even in the North the battle was at best between two kinds of natives. (Moreover, comparing a suicide bomber, intentionally killing civilians, to Mairéad Farrell, who was attacking military personnel, seems like an insult to Mairéad's memory.)

(a) The IRA intentionally killed civilians.

The PIRA did. (I don't want to go into the discussion of which IRA is "the IRA").

But a person mentioned by name, Mairéad Farrell, didn't.

Unlike certain current politicians, she was not a high-level commander and can not be held responsible for what other people i the same organization did.

(b) On the 'native' point, where did the protagonists of the two films come from?

The second generation question is tricky. But the films (accoding to review! - I have not seen them and don't know how to see them) treat the Muslims as a "community" that is allegedly oppressed - well, that community (if one considers it existing) is NOT native and NOT accepting English/British values.

Exit the community (conversion to Christianity accomplishes it, and there are other ways as well) or put up with the distrust that the community has well earned by its actions all around the world. End of.

By the way, I found a review from the other political side compare to the OP's:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jh ... 01last.xml

By applying old-fashioned agitprop politics to the situation, he [Kosminsky] reduces it to a simplistic, even wishful tale of oppressors and oppressed.

BTW, the name Kosminsky sounds either Polish or Jewish. I have some news for him - the Islamists have no love for either.

[storybud]

Smiffy ,

a) The Brits killed millions of Irish in their homeland (invasion,war,famine) which fueled a repsonse - IRA dirtbags

b) The Muslim Religion is not native to England , unlike Catholism which is native to Ireland ( 1600 years ) before Islam was even conceived

Smiffy Islamic fundamentalist want you dead,and all your beliefs dead,all your freedom to speak your mind dead,your very understanding of humanity dead, there is no compromise with the 21st century Nazis - Islamic fundamentalists, they will use all types of propaganda in the future to soften their message but they want to kill and brainwash -

Stop defending the new Nazis, ( and I do not mean the decent hardworking Muslims) just the fundamentalists,

[MichaelR]

Just found the review that seems to beat them all.

It's in the blog of a British Muslim lady.

http://www.spirit21.co.uk/2007/10/chann ... s-are.html

Spy or bomber? Doesn't sound like much of a choice to me... How about depicting a choice to be (as almost all Muslims are) a peaceful British Muslim citizen who feels pain at the suffering of innocents, who wants to participate in national and local life, and who just want to get on with living life like everyone else?

Comments also seem to show plot deficiencies.

After reading her blog further, I hereby retract my comments on the British Muslim community. Seems like many of them DO seek to integrate British values and their religion. I am not sure they can succeed; Islam was created as a religion to rule militarily subdued society (unlike Christianity, which started as surviving in a semi-hostile to hostile society).

But then, Rome has succeeded (on the island of Britain, where this was only an issue of religion not national liberation) in just such integration. From the plots against Elizabeth I things eventually came to the monarchist patriotism of G.K.Chesterton.

[The Hallion]

(a) The IRA intentionally killed civilians.

Do please share the minutes of the particular Army Council meeting where they decided to conform to the Dessie O'Malley/Brendan Mc Gahan wet dream scenario. Or better still, consider why the majority of Ireland's population would award Dustin the Turkey a higher political insight and relevance quota than you.

[pocleary]

There is one good answer to "suffering of Muslims" in the country where they chose to seek a better life.

WELCOME TO THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. (The article is about England not Ireland; but RCs are good enough too.) If you encounter any racists, complain to the nearest Bishop; converts of all races and backgrounds are to be accepted freely and lovingly.

Alternatively, keep your religion private (it's a free country) and shut yer gobs!

The comparison to the situation in Ireland of any time is not fair. The Irish are native here; even in the North the battle was at best between two kinds of natives. (Moreover, comparing a suicide bomber, intentionally killing civilians, to Mairéad Farrell, who was attacking military personnel, seems like an insult to Mairéad's memory.)

But the Muslims have come to England because they perceived life there better than in their native Islamist society. They have no business remodelling their new country into an image of what they had to escape from.

For comparison, imagine the Soviet refugees of the 40-80s trying to support communist parties in the West. Only they didn't; in fact they tended to be somewhere in the Thatcher/Reagan line of politics. (A number escaped through Shannon at the stopover between flights, but I think they tended to end up in Britain rather than Ireland).

That's who the Muslims should learn from. If you had to escape a system, there's a reason why it became like that. And you should learn that reason and expose it, rather than bring the evil you escape with you.

Muslims are as British as the English who are also not natives to the British Isles, British Muslim attacks on their fellow British can't be compared to The Native Irish and their fight for freedom,justice and democracy.
But like some in Ireland and elsewhere the system goaded them into violent acts to justify their position re ireland and Islam, or Sadam in the first place, the Irish copped on and sued for peace, T.G.
Muslims will do likewise.

[pocleary]

The comparison to the situation in Ireland of any time is not fair. The Irish are native here; even in the North the battle was at best between two kinds of natives. (Moreover, comparing a suicide bomber, intentionally killing civilians, to Mairéad Farrell, who was attacking military personnel, seems like an insult to Mairéad's memory.)

(a) The IRA intentionally killed civilians.

The PIRA did. (I don't want to go into the discussion of which IRA is "the IRA").

But a person mentioned by name, Mairéad Farrell, didn't.

Unlike certain current politicians, she was not a high-level commander and can not be held responsible for what other people i the same organization did.

(b) On the 'native' point, where did the protagonists of the two films come from?

The second generation question is tricky. But the films (accoding to review! - I have not seen them and don't know how to see them) treat the Muslims as a "community" that is allegedly oppressed - well, that community (if one considers it existing) is NOT native and NOT accepting English/British values.

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Muslims in Britain are as British as the germanic english, Islam is a british religion now and neither are natives to the British isles,
British values indeed,

[Finbar]

unlike Catholism which is native to Ireland ( 1600 years ) before Islam was even conceived

So if it's only been native for 1600 years, was it foreign before then??