Irish Citizenship for people of just ancestral background??

[Aindriu]

Broadening the availability of Irish citzenshipship only serves to make it less meaningful and/or less valuable. IMHO it should be restricted to people born in the Republic of Ireland, or to people who can prove residence for at least ten years. There may be a case for awarding honourary citizenship to people who have done service to the state, and who would not otherwise be entitled to it.

So you agree with the sprog of a transitory, Eastern European immigrant being granted Irish citizenship then?

Ten years residence, paying taxes and contributing to our state is not transitory and it deserves recognition.

These people are far more entitled to citzenship than people who were born in N.I., and who may have never set foot in the state, let alone made a contribution to it.

You missed my point. You said "born in the Republic of Ireland". A child born to a transitory, Eastern European immigrant fits into this catchment whether the parent has been here for 10 years or not.

[JCSkinner]

Thankfully the vote of the people in the Good Friday Agreement and in the recent citizenship referendum have made your opinion irrelevant, Sid.

[Armchair Activist]

In an era when our streets are clogged with Roma gypsies begging

The very sight of these people sickens me to the stomach... I was going home from work one evening when I saw one of these roma gypsies stand up and take gold chains & jewellery from his bag after spending the day there pretending to be a blind pauper. Chances are they have more money than you or I

So why let people who contribute absolutely NOTHING to our society other than sponging off the taxpayer and refuse our own people (who where most likely in the same position as these gypsies and instead of begging outside banks they took every possible opportunity available). They are a credit to Ireland

Excuse me for been “a backward bigot who refuses to embrace modern cultures with open arms”! That’s just how I feel on the matter!

SO F.U.C.K.I.N.G SUE ME!!!!

[Supersid]

Thankfully the vote of the people in the Good Friday Agreement and in the recent citizenship referendum have made your opinion irrelevant, Sid.

My opinion is not irrelevant simply because I am in a minority, no more than your political aspirations are irrelevant because you happen to be in the minority in N.I.

People often change their minds on issues put to referendums; abortion, divorce and the Nice Treaty being three recent examples.

[JCSkinner]

Your opinion is irrelevant specifically because the people have voted it down twice in recent referenda. You'd be hard pushed to find a less validated opinion in this country, in fact. No other issue has been twice clarified by large public majorities in referenda in recent times.

[drbob1972]

not the most politically correct response but i believe we should be selective with whom we issue Irish passports and citizenship to beyond what's currently deemed valid by DFA, etc. perhaps something along the line of the visa system used by Australia and other countries, where people have a set of skills or can benefit Ireland and willing to reside and work here (as opposed to just a back door to getting a EU passport) then they could be eligible for residence leading to citizenship.

just because your (great)great-grandfather was born in Ireland does not give you any right to citizenship / passport IMHO

[Supersid]

Broadening the availability of Irish citzenshipship only serves to make it less meaningful and/or less valuable. IMHO it should be restricted to people born in the Republic of Ireland, or to people who can prove residence for at least ten years. There may be a case for awarding honourary citizenship to people who have done service to the state, and who would not otherwise be entitled to it.

So you agree with the sprog of a transitory, Eastern European immigrant being granted Irish citizenship then?

Ten years residence, paying taxes and contributing to our state is not transitory and it deserves recognition.

These people are far more entitled to citzenship than people who were born in N.I., and who may have never set foot in the state, let alone made a contribution to it.

You missed my point. You said "born in the Republic of Ireland". A child born to a transitory, Eastern European immigrant fits into this catchment whether the parent has been here for 10 years or not.

A child born to a family resident in this country for ten years is no more transitory than one born to parents of Irish birth.

In the US, you don't even have any condition like this. You can hop over the border into the US, give birth and that child is entitled to American citzenship. It's hasn't done any obvious damage to the USA.

[Defeated Romanticist]

Broadening the availability of Irish citzenshipship only serves to make it less meaningful and/or less valuable. IMHO it should be restricted to people born in the Republic of Ireland, or to people who can prove residence for at least ten years. There may be a case for awarding honourary citizenship to people who have done service to the state, and who would not otherwise be entitled to it.

So you agree with the sprog of a transitory, Eastern European immigrant being granted Irish citizenship then?

Ten years residence, paying taxes and contributing to our state is not transitory and it deserves recognition.

These people are far more entitled to citzenship than people who were born in N.I., and who may have never set foot in the state, let alone made a contribution to it.

You missed my point. You said "born in the Republic of Ireland". A child born to a transitory, Eastern European immigrant fits into this catchment whether the parent has been here for 10 years or not.

A child born to a family resident in this country for ten years is no more transitory than one born to parents of Irish birth.

In the US, you don't even have any condition like this. You can hop over the border into the US, give birth and that child is entitled to American citzenship. It's hasn't done any obvious damage to the USA.

They are about to change the law to ban that so yes I would ssay it's doing considerable damage in their opinion

[Respvblica]

No, but citizenship ought to be granted to Irish-Argentinians, most of whom are third generation and thus excluded.
The irony here is that they are intensely proud of their Irish heritage, play hurling in Buenos Aires and speak Irish more than many people here do, yet are denied their inheritance due to the intransigence of the Dept of Foreign Affairs.
The further irony is that nearly all of them are entitled to come here to work anyway by way of Spanish or Italian citizenry which is not nearly so strict in terms of generationality.
But they want to be considered Irish, and believe that they are being discriminated against because they are Hispanophone rather than Anglophone.
In an era when our streets are clogged with Roma gypsies begging, and bogus asylum seekers from Africa, surely it is in our interest to permit citizenship to a cohort of people who feel intensely Irish, share our culture and music and sport and language, and who are in general hard-working and educated, not to mention excellent soccer players!

I totally agree. Many millions left irish shores out of necessity. That these decendents have kept Irish culture alive after so long, shows a loyalty that you would be hard to find in Ireland itself. Citizenship should be available.

[Aindriu]

not the most politically correct response but i believe we should be selective with whom we issue Irish passports and citizenship to beyond what's currently deemed valid by DFA, etc. perhaps something along the line of the visa system used by Australia and other countries, where people have a set of skills or can benefit Ireland and willing to reside and work here (as opposed to just a back door to getting a EU passport) then they could be eligible for residence leading to citizenship.

just because your (great)great-grandfather was born in Ireland does not give you any right to citizenship / passport IMHO

So you are effectively dismissing the Irish diaspora then? Nice.