Irish Citizenship for people of just ancestral background??

[paddyahern]

Interesting talk on the matter,

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?....%206906659792

[paddyahern]

The amhráin ghrá.

Irish sagas.

The development on traditional music on classical music parameters, and the employment of English based, or english developed musical instruments therein. The inclusion ballad style singing within the Irish genre, as well as ballad themes. Not to mention how much Ó Cearbhalláin was inspired by his visits abroad.

Aisling Pholaitiúil

Irish dancing, developing from both Norse and Norman dancing styles. (Rince is a norse word, damhsa is a French one).

The employment of Anglo-Saxon style weave-designs into the Book of Kells.

The use of Latin syllabic based metres in medieval Irish poetry.

The introduction of english latin norse and french vocabulary into the Irish language, frequently either complimenting existing vocabulary, making the language more precise, or brand new ideas and concepts expanding the remit of the language.

The introduction of the novel and modern free-verse into the Irish language through english, as well as many literal concepts such as expressionism, modernism, post-modernism etc.

The influence of native Irish satire on Dean Swift. The influence of native Irish themes and genres on the English language literature in ireland in the late 19th-20th century.

The influence of the Irish language on the English spoken in Ireland, and its subsequent use as a poetic literary medium in the late 19th early 20th century.

Want anymore?

Re-affirms my convictions.

[Riadach]

About what?

[Cloigeann]

So why have the Irish government ignored the distant Irish all around the world who had fled the land in a time of desperation to better their lives abroad.

Sure up until recently they have ignored the ones in Northern Ireland so why the hell do you think they could give anything more to people on another continent? I agree though.

[toxic avenger]

I feel like I'm in some slightly bonkers Irish version of 'The Triumph of the Will.' How the hell do you decide who is a 'true' Gael? Do you have some genetic test? What if you find out, horror of horrors, there's a bit of Viking or Norman or (shudder) English in your ancestry, does that dilute your Irishness? Are you then only 75% a citizen? And as to reservations like the Native Americans, will An Taisce not object to WigWam blight in the countryside? I realise that at a certain time on a Saturday night some 'interesting' opinions manage to make themselves known but this kind of stuff is insane even by those standards. If not wanting to know 'because it doesn't fit into your political beliefs' is the charge then too bloody right, I leave that kind of Nazi ************************e to boneheaded thugs on council estates in Britain..

"Nazi"? - well you should know.

I should know? How did my SS record fall into your hands? Where can I get a flight to Brazil?..

[18 Brumaire]

"Gael was rather a specific term you know........." I dont think you can be as definitive about this.

Douglas Hyde describes himself as "de Phór na nGall-Ghaedhal in-Eirinn".

He considers himself as Gael.

Moreover many living in the western isles and highlands of Scotland consider themselves Gael and have always done so.

In the 16th century a member of the professional learned classes could have travelled from the south of Ireland to the north of Scotland without leaving his own cultural milieu.

[Riadach]

No, he described himself as a Gall-Gael, obviously he thought gael to be too specific. As for the gael of Alban, does that not prove that Gael is an unsuitable term in this regard?

[18 Brumaire]

Hyde didn't describe himself as Éireannach, which he could have done, as Céitinn did.

I suppose I am trying to advance the use of the term to get away from the notion of Irishness that I am complaining about. But unfortunately the term has been debased and brings up the wrong conotations.

Republicans deliberately use the term Éireannach so as not to be accused of excluding unionists, but to insist that they are of the same nation.

Perhaps, Riadach, you dont subscribe to the two nation theory as I do.

[Riadach]

I believe it does exist, but find it far from ideal. I normally don't believe in the convergence of nations, but I think overtime this can be considered possible.

[pocleary]

Should Irish citizenship be granted to those who can prove Irish Ancestry even if its 5th or 6th generation?

yes indeed,
the Irish disporia worldwide did not choose to leave ireland on a holiday, we should welcome them back, and if 200 million people of irish ties bought an irish passport think of the money that could be spent on the victims of the so called celtic tiger,