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    fianna saor fianna saor is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerubbabel View Post
    Yet Another Islamaphobia Thread
    cant be all wrong, can they
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    Quote Originally Posted by fionnmccool View Post
    It's not considered that way by the vast majority of ordinary regular folks but is used as a fallacious distracting argument by Muslims who demand ''respect'' yet do not respect the rights of Women or Gays (or non Muslims) in our society. Criticize Westboro Bapist Church and you probably wont be unlucky enough for them to picket you however criticize Islam and you frequently get murdered. Hence the lickspittle money grabbing treacherous cowards in our public life are responsible for a lack of balance in the criticism of religions.
    It does occur outside of Islam, I think, but you are definitely correct about Islamic ultra-sensitivity to the smallest of criticism. It's truly pathetic, but quite scary as well considering the amount of violent protests that have occurred following perceived provocation.
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    All religion is a bag of shyte. But the left wing needs to stop making excuses for violent militant Islam. You only have to look at George Galloway, normally a far leftist, toadying up to Islamists. You would never see any leftists being so friendly with Christian extremists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Ah, the old race card card.
    Just tellin it like it is Merc. You should try it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippakin View Post
    Just tellin it like it is Merc. You should try it...
    The quickest way to shut down criticism of racists is to accuse the critics of playing the race card. How's that?
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    As a general point, I don't agree with what passes for criticism these days of any religious faith.
    (and that's in no way accusing the OP because that poster is a very good poster to P.ie in my opinion).

    Each to their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmal View Post
    She looks like a nice person, why the abuse?


    Get *********d
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    The quickest way to shut down criticism of racists is to accuse the critics of playing the race card. How's that?
    Well starting with Enoch Powell, who was not racist, it worked for years, but people have seen through it now either that or they don't care. The subjects need to be discussed openly because a lot of people are quietly fuming and it could take just one thing to set off serious trouble and not from immigrants either here or in the UK.
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    It's not cool or nice to beat up people's religion - no matter what it is.

    That said, I think the mainstream media do go easy on Islam mainly because its followers tend to be devout and take their religion very seriously ... unlike your average Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drogheda445 View Post
    There seems to be a perception among people in the Western World that criticism of Islam is directly linked to racism. While it does apply to some people, especially those of the more right-wing anti-immigrant variety, it doesn't apply to all. I am a secularist and an agnostic and I would consider myself to be a liberal in many respects. I am also open to immigration because I believe that it is healthy for the country (so long as immigrants make an effort to integrate and not to segregate themselves). But I dislike Islam and what it stands for. To me it comes across as misogynistic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, very rigid, militant, highly sensitive to criticism, and in some ways quite supremacist. And yes, I am aware that not all Muslims are rigid fundamentalists, and that some are very rational and open individuals, but radical Islam, perhaps the world's most backward social ideology, is vocal throughout the world and now in Europe as well, and it does spring from the fact that many of Islam's teachings appear to be misogynistic, homophobic etc. Christianity also has its extreme side to it (although admittedly less militant than radical Islam) and criticism of it is rarely branded as racist or "Christophobic". I find this to be quite hypocritical, particularly on the part of atheists and agnostics, who rightly criticise Christian fundamentalism and extreme but are often uneasy or silent when it comes to criticism of Islamic fundamentalism.

    I deplore racism of any kind and it to me is a symptom of ignorance and tribal hatred, and should be condemned openly. Racism itself is completely phoney because it is scientifically accepted that there is only one human race, and 19th century pseudoscientific racialism is complete rubbish. But religious extremism is something which is openly visible to us and does threaten the rights and safety of others if its isn't kept in check. Islam is not a race, it is a religion. This is evident by the fact that Islam is practised by many in the Balkans, by Africans, South-East Asians and even has a number of western converts. Anyone can become a Muslim if they wish to do so.

    I think the idea that Muslims are out to take over Europe is phoney, and I think although we can often be complacent in the West, our democracy is strong and is unlikely to fall to the ramblings of religious extremists. But criticism of the religion of Islam, not its adherents, but the religion itself, cannot be classed as racism simply because the majority of European Muslims have their roots outside of Europe. This needs to be highlighted. I am against racism and I am totally opposed to hatred of Muslims, but I am critical of the religion of Islam and I imagine many critics of it are also like this. So why is virtually all criticism of Islam (the religion) considered to be prejudicial and hate-mongering whilst criticism of other religions, particularly Christianity, is not?
    I would dispute your assertion that it is the right wing who are anti immigration. I would see it the opposite way around. It is generally the working class communities who are at the coal face of immigration issues (competition for jobs, cultural integration, competition for benefits etc) and who represent the bedrock of left wing support in this country.
    The right wing who are better educated, openminded, well travelled and economically literate, who are often employers who need a labour supply and growing levels of consumerism welcome immigration.
    Islam by the way is an extreme religion, it's a dangerous religion and it is a religion that seeks to impose itself on others. I can't stand any religion but of all of them, this one should be banned from preaching its hate message. And there is nothing racist in saying that. I couldn't care less what ethnicity a person is or what country they come from. Islam the belief system, the cultural system, the political system is the worlds great evil and great threat right now.
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