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    Iarmhi Gael Iarmhi Gael is offline
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    Does Ireland need a Civil War?

    Quite a big question to ask -bore out of my own disappointment in recent weeks by episodes related to the Quinn's, the widespread non-payment of the household charge and the increased trend of localiness



    James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".


    Everyone has an opinion on the Quinn's - be it in support, sympathy, anger towards or those who just wish to see the law upheld. It is my own opinion that no one should be allowed be on the run within 2 miles of the Irish border. No one should be allowed hide personal wealth to evade money owed to the Irish People (When Anglo was nationalised - that debt became my debt). No one should be allowed spin lies to manufacture stoies and events to evade the truth. The events around Cavan/Fermangh goes against everything my principles hold. Is the only answer in dealing with the Quinns and their supporters a civil war? Would it solve the answer of the Quinns supporters, would it make Ireland a better country?

    Secondly - the Household charge. Over 60% of this country have payed the Household charge - many of these cannot afford it but understand that we are all in this together. shoulders to the wall and giving their support. If that is not the reason, they under stand they are legally entitled and respect our lawmakers who we have democratedly elected to fulfil the governing of this country, by being one of the last countries in the Western world who do . I baulk at SF who tell people not to pay this charge. - yet in NI support Household rates. Are the Irish people so thick that they can not see SF speaking out of both sides of their mouths? How can my fellow neighbours not respect the lawmakers of this land. By all means get into Government and overturn them, but as will be seen in NI - SF offer little in way of socialist change. Are we continuing to view politics as an answer rather then look forward as a nation with new ideas and visions? Would a civil war help bring respect back into our government?

    Thirdly, increasingly we can see divides within this Island. Be it Cavan V Rest of Ireland, Donegal V RoI, Northern Ireland, Dublin V country, Limerick V RoI. Communities are at the fore. this can be seen in our Olympic celebrations right down to the grassroots Gaa and even the catholic church. Local Media is theiving, Global businesses from Samsung to Ford to Coke are breaking national relationships to seek local relationships.


    With the dilution of all things national to local - our country is losing its national identity. In Australia our youth are been labelled as lazy drunken slubs, in our own country some are closest rasicts, unaccepting of the polish community with their cheap labour but privately marvel at their workrate. A civil welfare state where it pays more to not work then to work a 5 day week proudly. 20% in a recent poll would vote FF - 20% refuse to draw a line under the actions of a party which bankrupted this country - enforcing debt on my children's children.

    Would a civil war bring a new identity to the Irish people, rid the country of past divides and unify this country? Does Ireland even wish to exist anymore?
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    On the basis of the above a "civil war" would involve a multiplicity of groups with divergent aims. A bit like Lebanon in 70's. That didn't turn out so well.
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    Good Lord.

    Your comment about The Quinns and their supporters is basically to advocate mob rule.

    Let us mount some pogroms. That'll eliminate the problems.
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    Sure we have barely got over the last one yet.
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    Does Ireland need a Civil War? - Like a hole in the head.
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    Is the last one over yet .
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    Des Quirell Des Quirell is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Does Ireland need a Civil War? - Like a hole in the head.
    But the Quinns!!! And the Household Charge!!! If not now, when?
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    Jesus.........

    People still hold the same positions after a civil war just way more embittered.

    Or are you advocating mass murder of citizens that don't hold your opinions?
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    Des Quirell Des Quirell is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Does Ireland need a Civil War? - Like a hole in the head.
    Holes in various heads seems to be what the OP is suggesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niall78 View Post
    Jesus.........

    People still hold the same positions after a civil war just way more embittered.

    Or are you advocating mass murder of citizens that don't hold your opinions?
    Tough policy but fair !
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