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You would not want to take the Bible too seriously!

Originally Posted by Tea Party Patriot

You attitude being just if not even more extreme it would be just replacing one extreme with the other. Advocating violence as a way of making your point it not acceptable.

Nonsense, frankly. This is just another manifestation of the Harrisite Good Dog blether that has utterly debased all rational thinking south of the border over the last 40 years. Not that there was much in the way of rational thinking to begin with after the previous decades of control by the lunatic medieval kiddy-fiddlers.

Religion is poison. It is nonsense. It is irrational, primitive misanthropic superstition. It is, despite its claims, immoral, dangerous, toxic and a clear and present danger to any human society. And the one we have to be most concerned with in Ireland, Christianity, is a slave religion designed to dull the minds of slaves and help them accept their lot in life.

Militant atheism? The problem with the world is that atheists are nowhere near militant enough. There is no excuse at this point in human development for believing in these fantastical tales dreamt up by drug-crazed desert camelherders. No excuse whatsoever. Anyone who is wilfully a Believer at this point in history is proclaiming themselves to be a dangerously unstable weirdo with no connection to reality, a freak who deliberately chooses to reject all knowledge and reason in favour of irrational anti-human fairytales. Believers should therefore be shunned and removed from any and all positions of influence or power.

Enough is enough. Religious sociopaths and misanthropes have been trashing the planet and inflicting endless misery and insanity on human societies across the globe for thousands of years. Enough. This madness must stop.

Shovel a Believer today, purge this toxic sewage from our minds and cultures, give our children and grandchildren some chance of growing up in a sane and rational world.

Originally Posted by SideysGhost

Nonsense, frankly. This is just another manifestation of the Harrisite Good Dog blether that has utterly debased all rational thinking south of the border over the last 40 years. Not that there was much in the way of rational thinking to begin with after the previous decades of control by the lunatic medieval kiddy-fiddlers.

Religion is poison. It is nonsense. It is irrational, primitive misanthropic superstition. It is, despite its claims, immoral, dangerous, toxic and a clear and present danger to any human society. And the one we have to be most concerned with in Ireland, Christianity, is a slave religion designed to dull the minds of slaves and help them accept their lot in life.

Militant atheism? The problem with the world is that atheists are nowhere near militant enough. There is no excuse at this point in human development for believing in these fantastical tales dreamt up by drug-crazed desert camelherders. No excuse whatsoever. Anyone who is wilfully a Believer at this point in history is proclaiming themselves to be a dangerously unstable weirdo with no connection to reality, a freak who deliberately chooses to reject all knowledge and reason in favour of irrational anti-human fairytales. Believers should therefore be shunned and removed from any and all positions of influence or power.

Enough is enough. Religious sociopaths and misanthropes have been trashing the planet and inflicting endless misery and insanity on human societies across the globe for thousands of years. Enough. This madness must stop.

Shovel a Believer today, purge this toxic sewage from our minds and cultures, give our children and grandchildren some chance of growing up in a sane and rational world.

We need to rationally point why we need a secular state

Atheism: A New Strategy. Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science, US - YouTube

Originally Posted by Knapaghbeg

We need to rationally point why we need a secular state

Atheism: A New Strategy. Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science, US - YouTube

But the point you are missing is that Believers aren't rational. They are deranged loonies. They explicitly reject reason in favour of magic. They explicitly choose to reject all the scientific knowledge accumulated over the last few hundred years. They are proud to be anti-reason, anti-intellectual, ignorant peasant yahoos. You can assemble all the rational arguments you want with all the facts and figures and graphs and detailed logical points and it doesn't matter a damn, Believers won't listen, will defiantly refuse to listen, hate and fear rationality, and cannot be reasoned with.

This is the mistake most atheists make. Being rational themselves they assume that all problems can be solved by rational debate. But when it comes to Believers (and, it must be said, most politicians) you are actually dealing with people who explicitly reject reason and logic. As such reasoned argument with them is utterly pointless.

Originally Posted by SideysGhost

But the point you are missing is that Believers aren't rational. They are deranged loonies. They explicitly reject reason in favour of magic. They explicitly choose to reject all the scientific knowledge accumulated over the last few hundred years. They are proud to be anti-reason, anti-intellectual, ignorant peasant yahoos. You can assemble all the rational arguments you want with all the facts and figures and graphs and detailed logical points and it doesn't matter a damn, Believers won't listen, will defiantly refuse to listen, hate and fear rationality, and cannot be reasoned with.

This is the mistake most atheists make. Being rational themselves they assume that all problems can be solved by rational debate. But when it comes to Believers (and, it must be said, most politicians) you are actually dealing with people who explicitly reject reason and logic. As such reasoned argument with them is utterly pointless.

Confuse a Christian

Originally Posted by DaveM

Just in case you are referring to a creator deity, i.e. a starting point, when you talk about the supernatural then that argument fails simply when confronted by infinite regression. Who created the creator? And who created the creator of the creator? Etc.

Obviously the existence of a creator, or even a creative force (self aware or perhaps not) would have to be supernatural in and of itself as it currently along with existence cannot be explained by natural means. I think you need to look up the difference between natural and supernatural. Natural is nothing can come from nothing. Supernatural is that anything exists at all.

Originally Posted by SideysGhost

But the point you are missing is that Believers aren't rational. They are deranged loonies. They explicitly reject reason in favour of magic. They explicitly choose to reject all the scientific knowledge accumulated over the last few hundred years. They are proud to be anti-reason, anti-intellectual, ignorant peasant yahoos. You can assemble all the rational arguments you want with all the facts and figures and graphs and detailed logical points and it doesn't matter a damn, Believers won't listen, will defiantly refuse to listen, hate and fear rationality, and cannot be reasoned with.

This is the mistake most atheists make. Being rational themselves they assume that all problems can be solved by rational debate. But when it comes to Believers (and, it must be said, most politicians) you are actually dealing with people who explicitly reject reason and logic. As such reasoned argument with them is utterly pointless.

In fairness secular religious may not be entirely rational, but they are able to acknowledge that their beliefs are a personal matter and not for sharing with wider society through the usurpation of the state.
I have no problem with someone being irrational, its the ones who want to force it on everyone else and obviously wrap themselves in all sorts of righteous indignation when challenged that I have no time for.

The Harmless eccentrics who want to worship some ancient sky fairy myth are fine, we should all have a little eccentricity, as long as they are secular they are good with me, like a fellow I know who takes all his clothes off as soon as he gets home, he never wears a stitch unless outside. But he does not go on about it to the uninterested and he certainly does not want the right to do it at work or have it introduced to schools.

Secular religious are fine in my book, Harmless usually perfectly normal outside of their private hobby.

Originally Posted by eskrimador

People are free to believe whatever they want. They can build their own wee places to share their beliefs with other like minded people. What has happened here is that pressure has been brought to bare to use a publicly funded premises to promote an anti intellectual agenda at a UNESCO site.

BTW, it's £8.50 to get in to this place. Worth seeing, not worth going to see and fek'n robbery. But I digress

And as for the church believing in the flat earth and the sun rotating around the earth, in fairness to Catholicism, while it kicks off a bit on scientific teaching, it accepts the theory or evolution as being compatable / reconcilable with faith.

"young earth" nonsense is just for hick ignorant rednecks and has as much merit as all mythology. Nice stories for kids at bed time.

Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew

"young earth" nonsense is just for hick ignorant rednecks and has as much merit as all mythology. Nice stories for kids at bed time.

I remember a "happy clappy" biotech graduate from DCU trying to give me some guff about the eye and evolution and carbon dating being inaccurate. The problem in NI is there a appear to be a significant amount evangelical types that feed from their counterparts from the US. Its the same cult like "thinking" as Scientology

Originally Posted by SideysGhost

Well you are a FFailure after all, ignorant anti-intellectual primitive mucksavage yahooing is your default state of existence.

You really are a parody of yourself. Settle back down there safe in the knowledge you're clearly superior to everybody else. God knows why you fell the need to engage with mere mortals at all. One would have thought you're sullying yourself by even acknowledging our existence.