Could Ireland see another civil war?

[harshreality]

Or maybe it's between the 'where's my NAMA?' brigade and the 'we don't want to pay your mortgage' crew, can see that getting nasty.

Judging by the state of the sleeping Irish population I would say that the only thing they will fight over is whether x factor is better than emmerdale farm or vice versa.

[TommyO'Brien]

The short history of our country has always been determined by a handful of people. Civil wars/revolutions only need a few armed people to change the course of a nation’s future.

In recent years Ireland has had pro European governments who have happily handed more and more power to the people in Brussels, meanwhile back in Ireland we still today have a few people who fight for a united Ireland and ignore or are oblivious to the fact that the Ireland they want United is fast becoming a state of Europe.

The new FU treaty will see the end of our independence over our budgetary measures bringing us one step closer to European control.

Have Irish people accepted their fate or can we say they have indeed grown up and agree with a United Europe. Or will we see a modern day version of the IRA fighting yet again for the Independence of Ireland?

Are Civil wars/revolutions a thing of the past for western nations or could they easily happen here again?

No.


An extraordinarily dumb thread.

[Out Out Out]

Simple really.

FF have destroyed the country aided by the Greens.

FG and Labour have destroyed any crediability by breaking every election promise they have made. Leo's "not a cent more" is now a joke.

SF is the ONLY party that has any credence.

I don't like stating this. Like many others, I have seen the ravages of the IRA. Enniskillen being one of the lowest points I have ever witnessed, along with Bloody Sunday.

However, When SF stood up and said they were making a ceasefire, A CEASEFIRE WAS MADE.

This puts them ONE major point ahead of the SHUFFLING, THREE CARD TRICK, Lying of the FF, Green, FG and Labour parties we have suffered from in the recent past.

If this means civil war, then so be it.

You're correct that Enniskillen was a low point for the IRA, along with say La Mon, Warrington, Teebane, Claudy, Shankill, the disappeared, to name a few. But Bloody Sunday? Don't you mean Bloody Friday?

''When SF stood up and said they were making a ceasefire, A CEASEFIRE WAS MADE.''

Get real -- by the early 90s the provos were a spent force, infiltrated, compromised and neutered -- all SF did was end the armed failure with as little loss of face as possible. Instructing your murder gang to stop murdering is hardly something to be applauded or make you fit for govt (which SF in the north have more than proved they aren't).

''If this means civil war, then so be it.''

What does this even mean? You really think SF have anything to offer Ireland other than poverty, navel-gazing nationalism and control-freakery? The last century has seen the church and gombeen politicians give the Irish people a right good kicking -- you really think SF, given their track record, are the ones to improve on that?

[Johnny Boy]

Have Irish people accepted their fate or can we say they have indeed grown up and agree with a United Europe. Or will we see a modern day version of the IRA fighting yet again for the Independence of Ireland?

Are Civil wars/revolutions a thing of the past for western nations or could they easily happen here again?

Irish people are proving to be a very docile and equanimous people, and I don't see any revolutions on the horizon to be honest. But of course nobody can foresee the future. Marx thought either Germany (or Britain) would be first to embrace his philosophy but they chose Hitler instead. Who could have foreseen that a crime like the the Holocaust could have been perpetrated in the midst of one of the most civilised and best educated societies int the world, in the middle of the 20th century?
More recently who foresaw the fall of the Soviet bloc? I was 36 in 1989, and had assumed for most of my life, up to that point, that the Soviet Communist party would just go on appointing hard man leaders to keep the ship afloat. Very few saw the collapse coming. The sudden demise of apartheid was another welcome surprise a few years later. Gaddafi looked like a bloke destined to die peacefully in his bed only a year ago.

[BlackLion]

Irish people are proving to be a very docile and equanimous people, and I don't see any revolutions on the horizon to be honest. But of course nobody can foresee the future. Marx thought either Germany (or Britain) would be first to embrace his philosophy but they chose Hitler instead. Who could have foreseen that a crime like the the Holocaust could have been perpetrated in the midst of one of the most civilised and best educated societies int the world, in the middle of the 20th century?
More recently who foresaw the fall of the Soviet bloc? I was 36 in 1989, and had assumed for most of my life, up to that point, that the Soviet Communist party would just go on appointing hard man leaders to keep the ship afloat. Very few saw the collapse coming. The sudden demise of apartheid was another welcome surprise a few years later. Gaddafi looked like a bloke destined to die peacefully in his bed only a year ago.

Hasn't your experience (and history) not told you that any thing is possible? The arab spring has started something in the west and how EU has been twisted into something it was set up to stop is only going to create a "want" for change.

[Roisin3]

The short history of our country has always been determined by a handful of people. Civil wars/revolutions only need a few armed people to change the course of a nation’s future.

In recent years Ireland has had pro European governments who have happily handed more and more power to the people in Brussels, meanwhile back in Ireland we still today have a few people who fight for a united Ireland and ignore or are oblivious to the fact that the Ireland they want United is fast becoming a state of Europe.

The new FU treaty will see the end of our independence over our budgetary measures bringing us one step closer to European control.

Have Irish people accepted their fate or can we say they have indeed grown up and agree with a United Europe. Or will we see a modern day version of the IRA fighting yet again for the Independence of Ireland?

Are Civil wars/revolutions a thing of the past for western nations or could they easily happen here again?

Your premise is all wrong. People don't go to war at the drop of a hat for no reason or very little reason. It takes quite a lot to push people towards war or armed insurrection. The EU Debt thing is a bummer, but heads aren't being cracked open because of it.