Banning burqas and other religious objects in state-owned institutions and in public isn't the only law(s) restricting religious freedom in parts of Europe...How are countries that hold such laws allowed to get away with this? And how can they possibly justify it?
Try wearing one into a bank or post office. I'm sure they will educate you in the reasoning and justification.
Still doesn't justify why they cannot allow women to wear a piece of cloth if they wish.
Why are you saying 'women'? If you want to be fair under the law, men should be able to wear one as well if they so choose. Are you saying only women should be able to wear burqas in public places and NOT men? Why? Because their particular brand of religion only wants this right for women? Is that not also discrimination?
Who defines what a 'burka' is? Can I wear a balaclava and claim it is my religion? Can I wear a keffiyeh into my local bank?
As a motorcyclist, I can tell you in this country you cannot wear a helmet into a bank, post office, or shop. They won't even turn on the pumps if yer going to fill up until you remove your helmet. Are you seriously ignoring the obvious issues here regarding security?
Private businesses like banks and petrol stations should have the right to insist on facial visibility. If your religion prevents you from buying petrol then tough luck as far as I'm concerned. Offer it up.
But I oppose the banning of the veil by the state mainly because of the absurd contradiction of assuming the women are being forced to wear it by their husbands and fathers and then arresting the women. Why not arrest the people responsible if we believe the women have no choice?
Although I am an atheist, I think the above comment is ignorant and pigheaded. People who are believers have every right to do so. I merely see it in the same light as someone who who likes golf, not my cup of tea, but live and let live.
As for the Burqa, I believe it shouldn't be banned, it is part of one's belief and doesn't affect others, if someone is offended by a lady wearing one, well, they need to have a long look at themselves and prioritize their life.
You're one of my favourite posters. Your stuff is hilarious.
Nazi = Nazism = National Socialism. Is this correct?
If the above is correct, then I am not per se against this view/system. It works very very well for a short time.
So perhaps it could work very well for a short time again. Like in Ireland now. However, what with the dreadful increase
in obesity, the Irish might look a bit camp in those uniforms, and that would merely increase our collective sense of shame. OK, maybe not increase. That, I admit, would be difficult. Perhaps we could have a kind of burqua on over the uniforms.
As with many human endeavors the problems start when the Citizens engage in collective hubris. See Ireland c.2007. Hubris, of course, traditionally contains stong psycho-sexual elements. But let's not go there yet.
Again, as with many human endeavors, there are many ways to do something badly, and invariably very few ways
to do something well. Mugabe or Milošević might be considered modern examples of how not to do it.
The Germans, post WWI, were in a life & death struggle for the survival of their nation.
Britain and France had huge empires to sustain them, and had understandably played hardball with any and all interlopers. As an aside, Ireland played a very important role in Great Britains' strategies.
See Collins Barracks. The building alone is our monument, and the contents fill in the details. Meticulously.
Russia, a country historically regarded by it's western neighbours (even today) with dread, was a hot-bed of revolution.
Remember that by that time the people in the know (globally) could see it was going to be a cock-fight for the oil, and by extension the whole shooting match. Germany had both a strong tradition of great thinkers, cohesive civil population, and a very bold martial history. With that combination it was no wonder what happened happened.
Cometh the hour, cometh the Man.They saw what they had to do with characteristic clarity. The rest is history.
Some of it was glorious, some of it was shameful. On both ‘sides’. That's war.
I am Irish and was born long after the events. My only reference has been through a history written by the victors
and the victims of the vanquished. This has been the way since Livy 'documented' the war with Hannibal.
Indeed earlier if you look at Darius I or the murky tale of the Troad. Man’s fascination with “wealth”
(however he defines it Rory Carr) is well documented and not just in history. Many early fantasy and sci-fi novels also
trumpet Man's great prowess in the field of bloodly-mindedness. For example the Bible itself is chock full of this
particular theme, as is the Quran, the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and of course the Táin Bó Cúailnge.
My interpretation of Nazism is meaningless, except for my own intellectual curiosity, or entertainment.
Let’s discuss the trans-atlantic slave trade next. Only joking. Back to the OP’s wonderful post.
Are you really ‘shocked’ to discover that Paris is so awesome that praying in public is forbidden?
Or that in the Netherlands religious slaughter of animals is frowned upon. Really Toman13?
You should travel more. I mean, they chop people’s hands off for far less elsewhere. As for closer to home,
in Ireland women are still forced to become shameful wretches to avail of medical services that have been
freely available to their peers throughout the civilized world for decades. Imagine the humiliation.
Is your main concern the unstoppable march of Science & Engineering?
For me the sentence “and that (thank God) our politicians aren't considering it” sums up the
approach Ireland will no doubt take should any action at all be taken by our politicians.
Thank Gold indeed. Sorry I meant Dog of course. Goddamnit, I meant Bog.
I am glad I amuse you .
Nazi does not mean national socialism in the strictest sense of the word. It means national socialism 1933-1945. Most people however use the word incorrectly (including myself sometimes) to describe modern day national socialists.
Anyways thanks for this bizzare history lesson with jokes, random jumps from one topic to the next and back. I think there was something in there with some sort of link into the general theme of my posts. Not really sure what exactly, so I will leave it at that and hope I keep your spirits up.
Total body covering hides;
domestic violence i.e. violence against women
and is and overly extreme form of conservative dress.
Surely common sense modesty is sufficient?
This includes men with shirts unbuttoned nearly to the waist showing off hairy chests and a kilo of gold hanging around their neck often from the same countries. Countries where men burn their wives to death with petrol.
Some men just see their wives and their kids as trophies and should they not live up to their expectations their family are made to suffer.
Two rights: religious rights and human rights. Should there be a conflict which right should come first?
I know that this isn't a current issue, and that (thank God) our politicians aren't considering it, but bans on burqas are not unheard of in Europe. Not only is it banned in Belgium, Turkey and France, and locally in some areas of the Netherlands and Italy, but a German member of the European Parliament is calling for an EU wide ban. Banning burqas and other religious objects in state-owned institutions and in public isn't the only law(s) restricting religious freedom in parts of Europe. In Paris, it's illegal to pray on the streets, and in the Netherlands, religious slaughter(of animals) is prohibited. The fact that all this is done in countries that (with the exception of Turkey) rank highly in religious freedom, even though there's bans on religious expression, shock me. How are countries that hold such laws allowed to get away with this? And how can they possibly justify it? And shouldn't they be ranked a LOT lower in religious freedom than they already are?
Because public employees shouldn't be forced to engage with people who don't respect them enough to engage with them face to face..
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