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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekinghasnoclothes View Post
    Our Laws define us as a people much more than a language does.
    That's a debatable argument, and not one a monoglot can effectively make. How do you know how much speaking english affects you and your thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eire1976 View Post
    My Irish is miniscule, I have loads of words but wouldn't be able to hold a full conversation. but I still love it and want to learn more and more.

    You don't have to be a fully fluent speaker to love a language.

    I am learning Norwegian at the moment as I got a short term job there and even that the job is all through English, I want to be able to converse and when your interested you will learn.

    Where the Irish nation has gone wrong is in the fact that we are not all using it at every opportunity and helping each other to learn it. Imagine if we all did, the language would be back in 10 years in full use.
    You still haven't told us why we should be speaking Irish instead of English.

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    Come on lads and lassies, it's Saturday we should be enjoying ourselves!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riadach View Post
    So what's all this nonsense about deciding the national identity of Irish people?
    That was a response to a post

    Try and be honest

    You really are struggling today .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eire1976 View Post
    My Irish is miniscule, I have loads of words but wouldn't be able to hold a full conversation. but I still love it and want to learn more and more.

    You don't have to be a fully fluent speaker to love a language.

    I am learning Norwegian at the moment as I got a short term job there and even that the job is all through English, I want to be able to converse and when your interested you will learn.

    Where the Irish nation has gone wrong is in the fact that we are not all using it at every opportunity and helping each other to learn it. Imagine if we all did, the language would be back in 10 years in full use.
    But you say this, and you don't speak a word. Worse than unionists or so called west brits putting down the language, are those with soft attitudes towards the language, who don't bother to learn it, yet use attitudes towards it to castigate others.

    Here's a phrase for ya beart de réir do bhriathair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riadach View Post
    That's a debatable argument, and not one a monoglot can effectively make. How do you know how much speaking english affects you and your thinking?
    Linguistic determinism ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    That was a response to a post

    Try and be honest

    You really are struggling today .
    You seem to only say this in threads where you've made blunders.

    You made the response to a post where I defined the reasons why Irish should be taught by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    Linguistic determinism ?
    Is a perfectly valid concept, once one doesn't go nuts with it.
    "Only by applying the most rigorous standards do we pay writing in Irish the supreme compliment of taking it seriously." - Breandán Ó Doibhlín.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riadach View Post
    But you say this, and you don't speak a word. Worse than unionists or so called west brits putting down the language, are those with soft attitudes towards the language, who don't bother to learn it, yet use attitudes towards it to castigate others.

    Here's a phrase for ya beart de réir do bhriathair.
    Ná bac le mac an bhacaigh agus ní bhacfaidh mac an bhacaigh leatsa – don’t bother with the beggar’s son and the beggar’s son won’t bother with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    What has that to do with Riadach's straw man claim that I commented on the reasons Irish is taught in Schools?
    What's that to do with;

    Coercion needs to be distinguished from persuasion. There was no democracy with the threat of "total war" hanging over Irish people.

    Two Nice treaties and two Lisbon treaties are other examples of Irish people being coercied into voting against their true will.

    Also, as soon as the Irish people felt safe in the Free State from the British, Irish people voted for a Government that seeked an end to the partition of Ireland for all but 20 years or so, up to this latest Government.

    Or;

    Irish people being forced to learn, speak, read and write English by against their will by the British?


    You don't have a foot to stand on. You're just a troll.

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