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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    400k in Rehab is mad money. I notice also that many of the salaries are linked to civil service pay grades.....
    Not in that REHAB case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    That said 400k in Rehab is mad money. I notice also that many of the salaries are linked to civil service pay grades. I did voluntary work looking after the finances of a charity many years back which was involved in work with young people. Coming from a business background I couldn't believe how much they were paying the youth workers but was told there was no choice - their pay was linked to civil service pay grades.
    That makes very little sense. Why on earth would pay levels in a private charity be linked to civil service pay grades???

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    I used to contribute to FOCUS Ireland.

    Up to about 1 minute ago when I read the CEO gets paid €125,000

    Helping the homeless - I`ll give it direct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SideysGhost View Post
    That makes very little sense. Why on earth would pay levels in a private charity be linked to civil service pay grades???
    Because they're both ridiculously high for people with no obvious skills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    The CEo's salary is just one aspect of a charity's costs. Before people give they should do a bit of research (via Google) about the charities they are giving to and how much money actually goes to the cause. I never buy a line or a scratchcard on the basis very little makes it to the cause. Friends of mine in college spent the summer working selling lines, getting paid.

    Charities obviously need some sort of admin structure and people to run it and promote it. Better paid people could conceivably raise more money, run better quality projects with better outcomes and introduce better controls and ensure money is properly spent. Just because a charity has very low paid CEOs or low admin costs doesn't necessarily make it better than one with the opposite. You need to look at the outcomes and effectiveness of the work.

    That said 400k in Rehab is mad money. I notice also that many of the salaries are linked to civil service pay grades. I did voluntary work looking after the finances of a charity many years back which was involved in work with young people. Coming from a business background I couldn't believe how much they were paying the youth workers but was told there was no choice - their pay was linked to civil service pay grades.
    Since they are such a large employer in the care sector staff who work in that sector always compared rates of pay and working conditions for different job positions throughout the sector. Rehab was always known to be the lowest - except for the top brass.
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    Wasn't the provisions of the Charities Act 2009 supposed to introduce greater levels of accountability and transparency into this sector? Evidently, that's a very slow process in this sector.

    Without saying, there should be a mandatory requirement on all charities and particularly those that receive any funding from this State to publish and to make available an annual activities report and books of account. I would go as far as to say that there needs to be much closer scrutiny by funding bodies of the books ofaccounts of charitable organisations. Cash-in-hand work is also quite common in many of the day to day activites of charitable organisations - and this work is often contracted to the relatives or friends of existing employee's and/or the board of directors without any tendering process for the use of public monies. No charitable organisation should have an automatic entitlement to tax relief on profits, and neither should they be exempt from council rates or bin charges.

    Its interesting that very few charities have also signed up to the guiding principles on fundraising.Organisations Signed Up to the Statement of Guiding Principles for Fundraising | ICTR .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    That said 400k in Rehab is mad money.
    It certainly is. Maybe poor old Amy should have gone there after all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by damus View Post
    Wasn't the provisions of the Charities Act 2009 supposed to introduce greater levels of accountability and transparency into this sector?

    Without saying, there should be a mandatory requirement on all charities and particularly those that receive any funding from this State to publish and to make available an annual activities report and books of account. I would go as far as to say that there needs to be much closer scrutiny by funding bodies of the books of accounts of some of these so called charitable organisations. Cash-in-hand work is also quite common in many of the activites of charitable organisations - and this work is often contracted to the relatives or friends of existing employee's and/or the board of directors without tendering process for the use of public monies. Nop charitable organisation should have an automatic entitlement to tax relief on profits, and neither should they be exempt from council rates or bin charges.

    Its interesting that very few charities have also signed up to the guiding principles on fundraising.Organisations Signed Up to the Statement of Guiding Principles for Fundraising | ICTR .
    I think that was the act that gave birth to the as yet unseen Office of the Charity Commissioner. There's a lot of people around the public affairs environment who really don't want to see a regulator with a series of questions arriving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saltees Eagle View Post
    Jesus- its regarded as a very bad sign everywhere else I know of when a charity CEO tips up in a top of the range car. There's a happy medium like but in fairness that Rehab caper should be the first charity up whenever this fabled unicorn of a Charity Commission in Ireland puts in an appearance.

    Although knowing Ireland the really big embarrassing capers will be manoeuvered around. The Rehab Board should stand down over this- either get that CEO to drop her pay back to planet earth, get rid, or resign en masse.

    'Chairman: Brian Kerr
    Vice Chairman: Barry Keogh
    John Browne
    Henry Desmond Cashell
    Philomena Cremin
    Declan Doyle
    Francis Flannery
    Noreen Gildea
    Hugh Governey
    Andrew Heron (Scottish)
    Liam Hogan
    Gene Lambert
    Padraig Lydon
    Martin Enda Marren
    Jeff Smith
    Don Tallon'

    About Rehab: The Board


    'The Board and management of the Group are committed to maintaining a high standard of corporate governance. The internal audit function is now well established and the Board’s Audit Committee, chaired by Liam Hogan, oversaw the work plan for 2010 and formally approved the work plan for 2011.

    As a not-for-profit organisation, resources are committed to services for people with disabilities and other socially-disadvantaged groups. As the organisation has over 3,500 staff, and with more than 43,000 people and their families benefiting from the services provided annually, the Group needs to create and hold reserves to support itself as an independent, viable undertaking.

    Whereas it is the Group’s aim that its core services should be self-financing, some services are currently operating with deficits; in addition, the Group continues to invest in a capital programme.

    Historically, the Group developed ancillary activities such as pools, lotteries and fundraising activities to ensure that these deficits are covered and contribute to the capital programme, and also to allow for unfunded innovation in certain service areas. Fundraising is a very competitive business and the Group continues to look at different ways of raising funds. Most of the Group’s fundraising is now event-driven rather than the traditional donation type.

    The Group acknowledges with gratitude the contribution by the public authorities both in Ireland and in the United Kingdom to the development of its services.'
    About Rehab: Financial Information
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