"Let's be fair about this, we all partied" - does it justify economic conscription?

[He3]

Lenny thinks he can spread the blame by saying WE ALL partied

The reality is THEY and the GOLDEN CIRCLE of CRONIES partied

The rest of us all worked dam hard and heard stories of the parties in disbelief

Now they want us to pay for THEIR party

They still do.

[LamportsEdge]

'We all partied' is clearly a psychological ploy- a phrase used to attempt to cover a wretchedly corrupt establishment with the rest of the population. It is a close psychological cousin to the 'man of the people' stuff used by Ahern and his little anorak against the rain- Quinn with his playing cards for pennies down the local pub etc.

'We all partied' has been employed in order to imply that thievery of billions from the national exchequer is necessary to pay for the folly of the young couple both working at the time who were encouraged to borrow beyond their means in the bubble and fell for it only because the prospect of buying a house with a garden which they normally wouldn't have been able to afford at their stage in life could be had with a bit of imagination on the mortgage application form. Sure 'everybody is doing it' would be the cry and they were thinking ahead of children etc. 'You'd be foolish not to stretch it a bit' would be the murmur in their ears from the experts.

So now the establishment gets to lump all its Galway tent developers with their massive debts taken on not because they were foolish enough to hope for a place with a garden but because they wanted to be paper billionaires- in with the young couple I mention. The difference being of course that the young couple must now be made feel guilty so they'll understand when the government says they have to pay for the whole party.

It is an interesting phrase and makes me suspect that the 'catholic guilt' thing is confined not just to priests when manipulating people. It is very Irish and smacks of the same sort of verbal abuse and psychological manipulation that priests have got away with for centuries. It is a very Irish psychological lever and is delivered with malice aforethought.

[He3]

'We all partied' is clearly a psychological ploy- a phrase used to attempt to cover a wretchedly corrupt establishment with the rest of the population. It is a close psychological cousin to the 'man of the people' stuff used by Ahern and his little anorak against the rain- Quinn with his playing cards for pennies down the local pub etc.

'We all partied' has been employed in order to imply that thievery of billions from the national exchequer is necessary to pay for the folly of the young couple both working at the time who were encouraged to borrow beyond their means in the bubble and fell for it only because the prospect of buying a house with a garden which they normally wouldn't have been able to afford at their stage in life could be had with a bit of imagination on the mortgage application form. Sure 'everybody is doing it' would be the cry and they were thinking ahead of children etc. 'You'd be foolish not to stretch it a bit' would be the murmur in their ears from the experts.

So now the establishment gets to lump all its Galway tent developers with their massive debts taken on not because they were foolish enough to hope for a place with a garden but because they wanted to be paper billionaires- in with the young couple I mention. The difference being of course that the young couple must now be made feel guilty so they'll understand when the government says they have to pay for the whole party.

It is an interesting phrase and makes me suspect that the 'catholic guilt' thing is confined not just to priests when manipulating people. It is very Irish and smacks of the same sort of verbal abuse and psychological manipulation that priests have got away with for centuries. It is a very Irish psychological lever and is delivered with malice aforethought.

You might know about this already, but if not you will find it interesting I think.

Recognising and healing malignant shame - Dr Garrett O'Connor.

[Lassie]

‘Ghost estates’ in Ireland to be demolished - Max Keiser
while people are homeless?

BB Rebozo | January 27, 2012 at 4:29 am |

The greatest lie of our century is debt. There is so much abundance that, there is no need for debt. All around us, technology, communication and lots of people willing to work.
The big lie is scarcity. Scarcity is implied / promoted, so that those who are denied abundance, will end up serving those who have stolen everything!
When the slaves stop serving the brute, thief, vampires and start serving each other, the omnipresent, pervasive, abundance will return.
As long as you cooperate with thieves, you will be robbed and you will become their slaves.

[shiel]

I have posted the following on a related thread. I think it is appropriate here too.

Kenny's blaming the peasants for going mad is the same as Bertie's telling the same recalcitrant peasants to mind their manners or commit suicide.

As both were/are the most powerful politicians in the country they should be responsible. Powerful politicians laying about them about the peasants not knowing their place and accusing them of aping the excesses of their lords and masters was, and still is, unacceptable.

The peasants did not bankrupt the country. The lords and masters did.

[He3]

'We all partied' is clearly a psychological ploy- a phrase used to attempt to cover a wretchedly corrupt establishment with the rest of the population. It is a close psychological cousin to the 'man of the people' stuff used by Ahern and his little anorak against the rain- Quinn with his playing cards for pennies down the local pub etc.

'We all partied' has been employed in order to imply that thievery of billions from the national exchequer is necessary to pay for the folly of the young couple both working at the time who were encouraged to borrow beyond their means in the bubble and fell for it only because the prospect of buying a house with a garden which they normally wouldn't have been able to afford at their stage in life could be had with a bit of imagination on the mortgage application form. Sure 'everybody is doing it' would be the cry and they were thinking ahead of children etc. 'You'd be foolish not to stretch it a bit' would be the murmur in their ears from the experts.

So now the establishment gets to lump all its Galway tent developers with their massive debts taken on not because they were foolish enough to hope for a place with a garden but because they wanted to be paper billionaires- in with the young couple I mention. The difference being of course that the young couple must now be made feel guilty so they'll understand when the government says they have to pay for the whole party.

It is an interesting phrase and makes me suspect that the 'catholic guilt' thing is confined not just to priests when manipulating people. It is very Irish and smacks of the same sort of verbal abuse and psychological manipulation that priests have got away with for centuries. It is a very Irish psychological lever and is delivered with malice aforethought.

It must work, otherwise it would not be deployed so often by smart people with clever advisers.

We need to see it for what it is and deal with it.

[He3]

I have posted the following on a related thread. I think it is appropriate here too.

Kenny's blaming the peasants for going mad is the same as Bertie's telling the same recalcitrant peasants to mind their manners or commit suicide.

As both were/are the most powerful politicians in the country they should be responsible. Powerful politicians laying about them about the peasants not knowing their place and accusing them of aping the excesses of their lords and masters was, and still is, unacceptable.

The peasants did not bankrupt the country. The lords and masters did.

The psychology at work needs to be understood if we are to ever break out of 'where we are'. This, mentioned also above, may be useful in that exercise -

Recognising and Healing Malignant Shame, - Garrett O'Connor MD

[He3]

Well done He3 resurrecting this thread

He is Comical Lenny all over again.

Hammer you'll remember posting this in January 2011.

What a difference a year makes hey?

[venusian]

I have posted the following on a related thread. I think it is appropriate here too.

Kenny's blaming the peasants for going mad is the same as Bertie's telling the same recalcitrant peasants to mind their manners or commit suicide.

As both were/are the most powerful politicians in the country they should be responsible. Powerful politicians laying about them about the peasants not knowing their place and accusing them of aping the excesses of their lords and masters was, and still is, unacceptable.

The peasants did not bankrupt the country. The lords and masters did.

FG/"Labour" are the FF/Green continuity party, though perhaps more hypocritical,they have totally failed to deliver on promises, simple things like -- like openness, accountability, best practice .

Instead the FG/"Labour" are part and parcel of the selfish parasitical/bankster clique that cares only for its own privileges and continues to run Ireland repeatedly - with no consequences for themselves into the ground.

How many politicians that committed treason, their friends the bankster's/developer's, have been jailed since FG/"labour" were elected through lies?

Now being what they are of course they don't want democracy and allow a referendum that will reject the fiscal treaty