In Praise of Priests

[oceanclub]

Well, it is the logical extension of your view that leads to such pc ridiculousness.

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It's no more the "logical extension" of my argument than is arguing that because I think littering is wrong, I should have the offenders beheaded.

P.

[Fr. Hank Tree]

Well, it's all anecdotal.

My answer is that in the last few times I've been to Mass, the 20-30 year old white male demographic has been fairly lacking, to put it mildly. It is possible that by pure coincidence, the entire Tyrone team are devout Mass-going Catholics but Occam's Razor suggests otherwise. I'm not sure why you're taking this musing so personally unless you are Mickey Harte.

Tell us about it.

When you like it, it's the basis of an insinuation that someone has violated someone else's constitutional rights.

When you don't like it, it's all anecdotal.

[eoghanacht]

I'm more of a Meslier kinda guy:

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Thank for the introduction to this fella.

I love this : In his most famous quote, Meslier refers to a man who:

...wished that all the great men in the world and all the nobility could be hanged, and strangled with the guts of the priests

Class.

[Dr Pat]

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It's no more the "logical extension" of my argument than is arguing that because I think littering is wrong, I should have the offenders beheaded.

P.

Still haven't addressed the issue of Tyrone players being adults? Too much effort required?

[ifreannach]

Apparently, Dawkins never heard of Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc. All atheistic in their outlook, both Hitler and Stalin disavowed religion they grew up in.

On the behaviour between secular and clerical teachers, my experience was that the clerical teachers were a lesser problem, the secular teachers were more brutal in their behaviour. I was never hit by a clerical teacher but was by secular teachers. And I had both for teachers.

hitler used religion to great affect to rally his support gott mit uns

[SevenStars]

Tell us about it.

When you like it, it's the basis of an insuiantion that someone has committed a wrong and violated religious freedom.

When you don't like it, it's all anecdotal.

Oceanclub is just being a whining little troll...."waa..waa...mammy made me go to Mass until I was 14...waaa...waaa...It was like growing up in the Third Reich"...

[Hewson]

And it appears that he doesnt just have issues with his Church but with the whole Christian tradition...So why continue on as a priest, why not just become a social worker? Maybe because he isnt up to scratch?

You're as wise as I am, but where do you get the idea that he has issues with the whole Christian tradition? Christian tradition teaches love of one's neigbour. Period. There's nothing about his or her sexual orientation, colour, creed or nationality in the subtext. It seems to me that that's exactly what he's practicing.

It's not for me, or you, to question his motives for staying on in the Church. Maybe he feels he can make a difference from within, rather than shouting from the sidelines like most of us do.

[Fr. Hank Tree]

Oceanclub is just being a whining little troll...."waa..waa...mammy made me go to Mass until I was 14...waaa...waaa...It was like growing up in the Third Reich"...

Oceanclub cannot understand my issue with him/her, such is the depth of his/her prejudice. So blinded is he/she by the secularist anti-church cause as to be incapable of even recognising other rights such as the presumption of innocence and the right to a good name when they are being trampled on. When you can see the bogeyman, you will sacrafice whatever you must just to get at him.

[theObserver@hotmail.com]

In contrast, what Harte conveys in his book is a sense that the world he inhabits is imbued with a profound mystical meaning. This is less about winning or losing than it is about finding significant lessons for living in the tragedies, defeats and victories that have come Tyrone’s way.

[...]

If Harte seems to possess a surprisingly ecumenical personal spirituality, his descriptions of the everyday mixing of the GAA and Catholic religious practices betray a lack of awareness of the quiet sectarianism of the GAA. Harte even mentions that he wrote a master’s thesis demonstrating that the GAA is not sectarian, a conclusion he drew based on the finding that players were motivated to play football for the love of the game – not for specifically sectarian reasons.

[...]

But Harte also describes Catholic masses before matches, and priests visiting the team. It is difficult to imagine any Protestant – rare as such a creature is within the GAA – completely comfortable in this sort of team setting. The Church of Ireland’s Hard Gospel project tried to raise awareness about the quiet sectarianism within the GAA, while cases such as that of Fermanagh’s Darren Graham, a Protestant who quit the GAA in 2007 due to sectarian taunts from rival players, have demonstrated that sectarianism is not always so quiet.

Tyrone Football Manager Mickey Harte Book Review: Presence is the Only Thing Gladys Ganiel

Mickey Harte sounds inexcusable naive. He brought his team to roman catholic rituals and he appeared in roman catholic propaganda. How can he claim the GAA is non-sectarian while he clearly privilaging one christain sect and one religion above others? The team should have attended the rituals separately, not as a team.

[Fr. Hank Tree]

Mickey Harte sounds inexcusable naive. He brought his team to roman catholic rituals and he appeared in roman catholic propaganda. How can he claim the GAA is non-sectarian while he clearly privilaging one christain sect and one religion above others? The team should have attended the rituals separately, not as a team.

You obviously don't know the meaning of sectarianism.